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Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by Retric on Sunday December 13, 2020 @04:52PM (#25410709)
I meant stoped cars at a stop light. Which should have been clear from context as you don’t normally get rows of parked cars on public streets. Anyway, that and other instances of sharing a lane beside a car is monumentally stupid.

The only way to fight stereotypes like this is with hard evidence.

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by dmurray on Sunday December 13, 2020 @06:23PM (#25411505)
To say "parked cars" when you mean "stopped cars" rules out any chance you are making a good faith argument.
Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by Retric on Sunday December 13, 2020 @06:36PM (#25411616)
Preliminary results from a study in the United Kingdom, conducted by the University of Nottingham for the Department for Transport, show that filtering is responsible for around 5% of motorcycle Killed or Seriously Injured (KSI) accidents. Bicycle statistics are harder to come by.

But sure it’s “perfectly safe” and even occasionally legal. Frankly the number of people defending this practice is a significant sign it’s a real problem.

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by matsemann on Monday December 14, 2020 @03:28AM (#25414728)
Are those motorcycles zooming between cars at high speeds? Is that comparable to a cyclist?

And filtering to get in front in the intersection is safer for a cyclist, as one is then better seen. So no reason not to filter through stopped traffic, really. If it's a safety issue, the solution is probably to remove those making it dangerous (cars) from the streets.

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by Retric on Monday December 14, 2020 @08:47AM (#25417426)
No “filtering” specifically refers to stopped traffic.

The solution is to simply avoid trying to share a lane while sitting in people’s blind spots. Someone can easily get between two rows of cars turning left without realizing it and get knocked over even when the cars are doing everything correctly.

The same is true of sharing lanes even on city streets, lanes simply are not wide enough to safely share as the motorcycle or cyclist has vastly reduced visibility and may miss construction lane markings etc that unexpectedly move traffic.

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by nl on Sunday December 13, 2020 @06:02PM (#25411338)
> I meant stoped cars at a stop light. That and other instances of sharing a lane beside a car is monumentally stupid.

Ironically the point of this article is how this is always permitted and the sole reason sharrows exist is to point it out. Judging by your comment it isn't widely understood.

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by Retric on Sunday December 13, 2020 @06:29PM (#25411563)
No this is really not about that, cyclists are always allowed to take up the full lane in cities, but it’s rarely legal to split a lane, and even then it’s a terrible idea.

Preliminary results from a study in the United Kingdom, conducted by the University of Nottingham for the Department for Transport, show that filtering is responsible for around 5% of motorcycle Killed or Seriously Injured (KSI) accidents. (Bicycle statistics are harder to locate.)

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by nl on Sunday December 13, 2020 @09:22PM (#25412828)
I don't think motorcycle data on lane splitting is particularly relevant, because motorcycles are able to keep up with traffic.

If a cyclist can't lane-split, then what are they supposed to do up a hill? If they take the entire lane drivers get annoyed, if they don't take the entire lane (and follow the common guideline of riding as close to the edge as safe and practical) then you claim they are doing the wrong thing too?

Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by Retric on Monday December 14, 2020 @08:54AM (#25417490)
Filtering specifically refers to stopepd traffic where there should be minimal differences.
Re:Sharrows, the bicycle infrastructure that doesn’t work an... by alisonkisk on Sunday December 13, 2020 @09:19PM (#25412803)
Filtering is not sharrowing. Sharrowing is splitting a large lane into two without a lane.

Filtering is riding on the line between lanes.