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Re:Earnestness by keiferski on Saturday December 12, 2020 @02:52PM (#25401035)
There is a weird expectation among some professions (Silicon Valley tech, especially, but I think it's probably endemic to any well-paid, well-respected class) that all other fields should be immediately understandable to the layman, and if they aren't, there's clearly charlatanry afoot.

As you pointed out correctly, these are all fairly standard terms in literature, philosophy, and cultural studies. The ironic thing is that if one were to string together a bunch of technical terms, they sound exactly as obscurantist to the outsider. Subnet Masks, Hyper-Text Markup Language, BIOS, JavaScript ("What do you mean it has nothing to do with Java?") and so on.

Re:Earnestness by pbourke on Saturday December 12, 2020 @03:17PM (#25401295)
> The ironic thing is that if one were to string together a bunch of technical terms, they sound exactly as obscurantist to the outsider.

In other fields the obscurity is a side effect. In the humanities it’s the point, to try to make the sky-castle ideas sound more Important and Scientific than they actually are. A big part of postmodern theory is the notion that there basically is no truth, just texts with varying degrees of authority. The field unironically describes itself.

Re:Earnestness by keiferski on Saturday December 12, 2020 @03:22PM (#25401346)
> In the humanities it’s the point,

No, it really isn't, and virtually no one who earnestly engages with the thinkers in question would come away thinking that.

Re:Earnestness by pbourke on Saturday December 12, 2020 @03:38PM (#25401488)
> virtually no one who earnestly engages with the thinkers in question would come away thinking that.

I “earnestly engaged” with it by doing a humanities degree 20 years ago when this stuff was taking root.

The only field that seems resistant to being overwhelmed by it is history, possibly because the scholarship must be grounded in original sources.

Re:Earnestness by philosopher1234 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @04:50PM (#25402063)
What have you read in the humanities recently?
Re:Earnestness by haberman on Saturday December 12, 2020 @05:08PM (#25402221)
I think the classic essay "How to Deconstruct Almost Anything" from 1993 is a counterexample: https://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/decon.html
Re:Earnestness by zemo on Saturday December 12, 2020 @04:07PM (#25401715)
no that's ... really not true. Those terms all have precise meanings and express new concepts more succinctly. In programming, we call this abstraction.

Yes, there are obviously people in academia that are full of crap: other people in academia -also- think they are full of crap. The problem for outsiders is that they're largely incapable of discerning between the earnest deep thinkers and the self-promoting charlatans. Charlatans are always louder, so without stopping to understand the topic at hand, you're almost certainly giving the most of your attention to those who least deserve it.

Re:Earnestness by dan-robertson on Saturday December 12, 2020 @04:38PM (#25401962)
If you want to try to read something from the humanities that doesn’t use any specialised words, you could try Plato. But note that it will be very hard to understand and talk about and Plato himself was likely limited by the lack of suitable language to express his ideas.

It seems pretty contemptuous to suggest that people in the fields you don’t really know about are trying to obscure some secret bad opinion so that it can become accepted. Maybe these people are actually trying to express something complex and nuanced?

I think there are a lot of issues with academic writing being obscure but I don’t think these are unique to the humanities. Indeed I think you’ll probably find many people in humanities fields are better writers than those in the academic areas you may be more familiar with.

Re:Earnestness by randomsearch on Saturday December 12, 2020 @03:05PM (#25401158)
Does that mean they don’t have respect for say quantum computing research? Because I’m pretty confident most people in SV won’t understand, say, a paper on quantum error correction.
Re:Earnestness by keiferski on Saturday December 12, 2020 @03:12PM (#25401230)
Good point. I should add "non-technical" to my comment.