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Re:Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playi... by codingdave on Saturday December 12, 2020 @11:22AM (#25399251)
You make them pay by abandoning them as a customer. Stop streaming. Stop watching.

Fining businesses who make mistakes is a dangerous path. That means anyone new to the industry who tosses up their first project is open to getting fined if they make a mistake. It also means there is either some organization in charge of being the watchdog for the industry with power to just apply fines to companies as they see fit... or we are doing this via lawsuits which just means cranking up litigation to absurd levels.

No, it is better to pressure businesses via our own choices to only patronize those who treat their customers and subscribers well. We talk about it all the time on here - stop using Facebook, stop using Google, find alternatives that match your ideals.

We need to truly embrace those types of grassroots change if we want to drive behavioral changes.

Re:Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playi... by trident1000 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @01:08PM (#25400181)
Im with you (in spirit). But we know at this point how network effects function and thats just not a practical solution. Leaving facebook, youtube, etc.. is similar to leaving your country and moving to a remote island in the middle of the ocean.

The solution is (partly) already here, its called breaking up monopolies which are illegal (and it would be wise to break up oligopolies). For instance YouTube has no real competition. 2000 million users vs what? Vimeos 1.5 million? Tech monopolies/oligopolies will always make the case that there is a rich marketplace of competitors by pointing out small fringe platforms that cant gain real traction but they know better internally and the stats confirm. Dont expect anything to change as they keep greasing your representatives. They spent record money on democrat elections this year and they expect their back to be scratched with lenient H1B visa programs to lower labor costs and lenient marketplace enforcement.

Re:Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playi... by rolph on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:24PM (#25399837)
you make them pay with BOTH.

as mass exodus is slow to start and looks like churn when there are no comments or nonkudos given, there should be a sanction received so there is real motivation to not do so bad

Re:Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playi... by LordDragonfang on Saturday December 12, 2020 @07:29PM (#25403153)
>Stop streaming

And if it's your livelyhood, go where? The next two most dominant rivals in the area of streaming are literally the two you call out later in your post, Facebook and Google. You're not going to make money by trying to get people to get people to switch to your niche streaming service that no one has heard of and will close up shop in a year.

Individual action, especially consumer action, has never been a driving force in effecting change. If it were, companies like Nestle, which you hear about the despicable practices of almost weekly on commenting sites like reddit, wouldn't still be market leaders. Legislation, litigation, and most importantly, collective action are the only ways to change things like this. Don't tell people to boycott a service, get them to unionize their de facto employees.

Re:Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playi... by annexrichmond on Saturday December 12, 2020 @11:39AM (#25399407)
Instead of fining businesses, perhaps the answer is litigation.

I’m not sure what their TOS says, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it protects from this, but yeah, the liability should be that you open yourself up to being sued if you erroneously remove a user from your platform, who is using it as their job

Re:Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playi... by root_axis on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:05PM (#25399665)
Litigation on what basis? The service I pay nothing to use accidently took down my video. Case dismissed.
Re:Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playi... by rolph on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:28PM (#25399875)
the service regardless of payment was withdrawn to your detriment without notice, thats the thin edge. the body of the wedge is any financial damages.

  You cant sell or give out snake oil for free and have no repercussions, caveat emptor only goes so far.
Re:Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playi... by supportlocal4h on Saturday December 12, 2020 @11:52AM (#25399546)
codingdave already gave the answer. If you are dissatisfied with the service, cease to employ it. If bad actors are protected by barriers to entry, work to lower the barriers.

Competition is your best hope. Chasing artificial alternatives is a poor choice.

Re:Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playi... by sp332 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @03:06PM (#25401167)
Isn't there already civil liability for this?