Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire
by int_19h on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:02PM
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On the contrary, I think this goes to the root of the matter. Can you trust people or not? That's a fundamental question that decides whether you can have real democracy, or only a sham. Because any kind of democracy where people are only allowed to make "safe" choices, decided on by someone else (e.g. the censors), is a sham. And that's true even if the censors themselves are directly or indirectly democratically appointed. Iran is a good example of such system taken to its logical conclusion.
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire
by Daishiman on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:54PM
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I'm sorry but trust isn't a binary value. I trust people in my life to be reliable and trustworthy to a certain extent and in certain areas. I don't trust my party-animal buddies to be on time for breakfast a 8 AM, and I don't trust my stressed out workaholic friend to just chill on a Friday afternoon.
You cannot simplify trust to a single variable; you have to go case by case. And trust in the masses is partial; finding where it is and where it is not is critical.
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire
by inglor_cz on Saturday December 12, 2020 @04:57AM
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But at the end of the day either you give everyone a vote or you don't.
A system where the most trusted people had 10 votes and least trusted people had 0.1 vote might make sense in a society of nerds voting on a software project, but not in general political application.
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire
by 8note on Sunday December 20, 2020 @09:03PM
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Given that that's how the us elections work, it seems like plots of people have considered a good approach
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire
by int_19h on Saturday December 12, 2020 @03:09AM
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How would you manifest that partial trust when it comes to political power, though? The problem with that power is that splitting it up is a zero-sum game - you can give less to "the masses", but then somebody else is getting more. Who would that be, and why would you trust them?
There are infinitely many interpretations of "democracy" and "free speech" and it's hardly a simple yes/no question. We should be free/democratic society as much as possible, and it's an ongoing (while not always successful) effort. We should discuss concrete steps.