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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by euske on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:34PM (#25393777)
This kind of dogmatic statement is good for soliciting a response, but I think it's intellectual degradation.

There are infinitely many interpretations of "democracy" and "free speech" and it's hardly a simple yes/no question. We should be free/democratic society as much as possible, and it's an ongoing (while not always successful) effort. We should discuss concrete steps.

Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by int_19h on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:02PM (#25394043)
On the contrary, I think this goes to the root of the matter. Can you trust people or not? That's a fundamental question that decides whether you can have real democracy, or only a sham. Because any kind of democracy where people are only allowed to make "safe" choices, decided on by someone else (e.g. the censors), is a sham. And that's true even if the censors themselves are directly or indirectly democratically appointed. Iran is a good example of such system taken to its logical conclusion.
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by Daishiman on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:54PM (#25394514)
I'm sorry but trust isn't a binary value. I trust people in my life to be reliable and trustworthy to a certain extent and in certain areas. I don't trust my party-animal buddies to be on time for breakfast a 8 AM, and I don't trust my stressed out workaholic friend to just chill on a Friday afternoon.

You cannot simplify trust to a single variable; you have to go case by case. And trust in the masses is partial; finding where it is and where it is not is critical.

Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by inglor_cz on Saturday December 12, 2020 @04:57AM (#25397145)
But at the end of the day either you give everyone a vote or you don't.

A system where the most trusted people had 10 votes and least trusted people had 0.1 vote might make sense in a society of nerds voting on a software project, but not in general political application.

Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by 8note on Sunday December 20, 2020 @09:03PM (#25491428)
Given that that's how the us elections work, it seems like plots of people have considered a good approach
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by int_19h on Saturday December 12, 2020 @03:09AM (#25396632)
How would you manifest that partial trust when it comes to political power, though? The problem with that power is that splitting it up is a zero-sum game - you can give less to "the masses", but then somebody else is getting more. Who would that be, and why would you trust them?