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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by nprz on Friday December 11, 2020 @05:09PM (#25391993)
Do you think payment processors and ISPs should be able to deny service to customers for any arbitrary reason as well?
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by Spartan-S63 on Friday December 11, 2020 @05:15PM (#25392088)
Isn't that part of what's critical to have a free market? Sure, there are market inefficiencies when you get to the level that trusts and monopolies exist, don't get me wrong.

Rather than patch the symptoms of the problem, attack the root cause: If companies are acting anticompetitively, stimulate competition in the marketplace. If companies are allowed to make arbitrary decisions (which they should in a free-enough market), seek alternatives, such as government enterprises.

If folks don't like payment processors denying payment or ISPs denying service, seek forming a government enterprise that _can't_ deny service to any citizen.

Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by nprz on Friday December 11, 2020 @05:37PM (#25392436)
In a theoretical world, sure. In reality it is government actors that are twisting the arms' of tech companies to remove unapproved speech. So I'm not so sure a government controlled ISP/payment processor/video platform (something like China?) would really fix the situation.
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by jfrunyon on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:08PM (#25393530)
> In reality it is government actors that are twisting the arms' of tech companies to remove unapproved speech.

Uhh... what? Trump and the Republicans are twisting the arms of tech companies to remove speech favoring... themselves?

Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by umvi on Friday December 11, 2020 @09:38PM (#25394850)
USA is a union of states. Governors have quite a bit of power as well and plenty of governors endorsed this move by YouTube.
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by mpoteat on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:09PM (#25393545)
As long as it isn't due to a protected class reason, I don't immediately see the problem. If you break your ISPs TOS, or you commit fraud, it makes sense that those private companies would not want you as a customer.
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by insickness on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:31PM (#25394315)
If this is your argument then you should be against laws that prevent discrimination against a protected class. If the markets are efficient enough to account for free speech issues, i.e. someone can just start another facebook/youtube, the markets should be efficient enough to correct themselves for companies that decide to discriminate against protected classes, i.e. someone can just start another facebook/youtube.
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by billy_beef on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:20PM (#25393645)
My ISP TOS, to my knowledge, do not contain language about preventing me from retrieving otherwise legal to obtain content, do yours?
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by charonn0 on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:37PM (#25393807)
That's not a reasonable analogy. a) Youtube's decision (wise or not) is not arbitrary. b) Neither video creators nor viewers are "customers" of Youtube.
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by MeinBlutIstBlau on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:40PM (#25393844)
The fact that we see ads says otherwise...
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by charonn0 on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:15PM (#25394183)
The fact that we see ads says we're the product.
Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by jfrunyon on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:07PM (#25393526)
Well... they are.