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Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by FireBeyond on Friday December 11, 2020 @02:41PM (#25389895)
Michigan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretchen_Whitmer_kidnapping_pl...

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

Literally armed people swarming government buildings to protest masks, bomb threats and plans, kidnapping.

https://www.reddit.com/r/InsaneParler/

gives more insights.

Washington?

You have Matt Shea, an elected Republican:

"In late October 2018, Shea acknowledged that he had distributed a document described as a "four-page manifesto" titled Biblical Basis for War that listed strategies that a "Holy Army" could employ. The document, consisting of 14 sections divided into bullet points, had a section on "rules of war" that stated "make an offer of peace before declaring war", which within stated that the enemy must "surrender on terms" of no abortions, no same-sex marriage, no communism and "must obey Biblical law", then continued: "If they do not yield — kill all males"."

"In April 2019, The Guardian published records from a right-wing chat group of four people that Shea participated in, where Shea used an alias of ‘True Warrior’ in Latin. Other members in the chat group discussed carrying out surveillance, intimidation and violent attacks on political enemies, including Antifa activists and "communists." Shea himself volunteered to conduct background checks on residents of Spokane, resulting in Shea naming three individuals. One of the chat group's members forwarded the information to The Guardian, while another confirmed the existence of the chats and acknowledged the discussion on conducting surveillance on "Antifa" people."

"An investigation commissioned by Washington House of Representatives reported, on December 1, 2019, that Shea had planned and participated in domestic terrorism on at least three occasions. This included his participation, organizing, planning, and promotion of the 2014 Bundy standoff in Nevada, the 2015 armed standoff in Priest River, Idaho, and the 2016 armed seizure of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Harney County, Oregon. Shea led a delegation of right-wing legislators from Oregon, Washington and Idaho that met with law enforcement on January 9, 2016, in Burns, Oregon and were appraised of confidential intended law enforcement strategies for dealing with the refuge occupiers. Shea then disclosed those details to Bundy, according to the report."

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by throwaway894345 on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:42PM (#25390696)
The right wing has always had its fringe nutjobs and even terrorists; these seem (or seemed, until recently) to be trending down in severity and frequency, and everyone across the spectrum has typically condemned right-wing political violence. We're pretty good at marginalizing right-wing groups and mitigating their violence to the point where the odds of being impacted by right-wing violence were super low.

That feels less scary to me than watching hundreds of people descend on my neighborhood or a nearby neighborhood and set it alight or otherwise destroy it followed by the media and cultural elites (never mind colleagues, bosses, etc) tacitly approving of the violence (if not outright celebrating it--memorably a former ESPN reporter tweeted "Burn it all down!" and then when the violence approached his own neighborhood, "Get these animals TF out of my neighborhood"). This isn't to invalidate anyone's fear of right-wing violence; we all have different experiences and perspectives; I'm only sharing mine.

Note that we don't have to choose between left and right wing violence. We can and should condemn all kinds of political violence--indeed, it seems like every spike in the popularity of right-wing identity politics lags some much larger spike in left-wing identity politics, and every spike in right wing violence follows some spike in left wing violence and so on (e.g., you don't have proud boys without antifa). If I'm right, then it's kind of good news, because it means we can curb right wing violence and extremism simply by holding the left to the same standard.

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by citilife on Friday December 11, 2020 @02:51PM (#25390056)
None of those are the government, sure there are radical citizens (domestic terrorists), admittedly. Everyone universally thinks this is bad.

That being said, the right appears to be concerned about all their constitutional rights taken away. To me, that seems far more of a direct and far larger attack on millions of people than these random domestic terrorists.

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by FireBeyond on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:03PM (#25390224)
> That being said, the right appears to be concerned about all their constitutional rights taken away. To me, that seems far more of a direct and far larger attack on millions of people than these random domestic terrorists.

You can be concerned about something without it being a legitimate threat. The right was concerned about Obama "coming for the guns", and before that, with Clinton "coming for your guns". Yet Obama got an "F" rating for his efforts in "controlling guns" from the gun control/reform lobby.

Theorizing that Operation Jade Helm was an effort to repeal the Second Amendment by force doesn't make it so, and elements of the right can be concerned by it all they like, it just doesn't make it something the left is responsible for.

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by CompanionCuuube on Friday December 11, 2020 @09:09PM (#25394630)
You picked a terrible example, as he did restrict guns on a number of occasions during the terms. The fact that the gun control lobby gave him an "F" rating is because the fact that they want too much and are never happy with just a little.
Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:03PM (#25390221)
These random domestic terrorists are a part of a disparate and loosely affiliated network of religious extremists ranging from white power prison gangs to the federalist society whom control the supreme court of the United states of America. Underestimating the threat of radicalized religions is a mistake.
Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by afuchs on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:03PM (#25390216)
>> ... You have Matt Shea, an elected Republican: ...

> None of those are the government, sure there are radical citizens (domestic terrorists), admittedly. Everyone universally thinks this is bad. ...

Is someone who is part of a state legislature not part of some level of government?

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by FireBeyond on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:01PM (#25390190)
What on earth is a congressman if not "the government", if you're going to point to Bernie Sanders and AOC?

> [Matt Shea], A Republican, he represents the 4th Legislative District in the Washington House of Representatives.

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by dragonwriter on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:15PM (#25390370)
> None of those are the government, sure there are radical citizens (domestic terrorists),

“Radical citizens (domestic terrorists)” and “the government” are overlapping groups. For instance, most people would agree that armed public law enforcement agencies are very much “the government”, but:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-suprem...