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Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by polka_haunts_us on Friday December 11, 2020 @12:30PM (#25388257)
And then heaven forbid if you have different political views from them, especially in 2020. My mom treats me very weirdly, not because I actually voted for Trump, but because I don't spend my days ranting about how he's Satan incarnate like she does.

My sister aligns politically with my mom and she moved to MONGOLIA to get away from her. I'm glad for people who truly like their families, but not all of us won that particular genetic lottery.

Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by BurningFrog on Friday December 11, 2020 @01:52PM (#25389229)
Political tribes are taking over the role of family, even within families.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by natchy on Friday December 11, 2020 @05:22PM (#25392208)
i'd say political tribes are taking over the role of the church or spiritual leaders. Work is taking over the role of the family.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by BurningFrog on Friday December 11, 2020 @10:31PM (#25395211)
The Blue Tribe is an alternative religion is many ways.

The Red Tribe still has Christianity, so they don't need another one.

Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by smileysteve on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:14PM (#25399741)
Disagree vehemently
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by BurningFrog on Sunday December 13, 2020 @01:58PM (#25409074)
Which is the typical religious response :)
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by burner831234 on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:18PM (#25390414)
I agree with most of this

One thing I've learned in my 30s is its not a genetic lottery. There are definitely very irrevocable dynamics but many can be molded with a level of concern, effort and boundary setting that we usually associate with work added with a dash of true sincerity and deep care.

Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by cgriswald on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:01PM (#25390927)
> There are definitely very irrevocable dynamics but many can be molded with a level of concern, effort and boundary setting that we usually associate with work added with a dash of true sincerity and deep care.

I think this largely depends on factors outside our individual control—specifically, the other person. Sometimes setting boundaries, doing the work, can help the other person see the way their behavior is impacting you. Other times, it won't, so if you want the relationship to continue you have to be willing to always and repeatedly do all the work to maintain the relationship. Without the other person being capable and willing to recognize their own issues (and maybe get some therapy), no amount of your own effort can effect a permanent change.

Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by rootusrootus on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:22PM (#25390463)
It is both fascinating and sad to watch. My family has split along political lines, with half despising Trump and half worshipping him. Each side hates the other sufficiently that we just avoid talking anymore, so it's like having two distinct families.

I don't know the solution other than everyone agreeing not to talk politics, ever. And even better, actually deciding that politics is pretty insignificant and only something to think about on election day.

Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by lotsofpulp on Friday December 11, 2020 @05:48PM (#25392580)
> And even better, actually deciding that politics is pretty insignificant

Unless you think civil liberties are at stake. The Supreme Court will be tilted to a way I believe is harmful for my children’s future, and personal health, and so I consider politics to be very significant.

Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by nomdep on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:17PM (#25394196)
The media has make you believe things like that to make money from your fear and anger. Nothing will be so dramatic.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by lotsofpulp on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:23PM (#25394250)
Have I been duped into thinking marijuana has been illegal this whole time? Assisted suicide unavailable? Parental leave / sick leave laws non existent? Access to abortion restricted in some states to sufficiently quality it as inaccessible to those who need it?

Did I imagine growing up without dental care or healthcare because my immigrant small business owner parents could not access affordable healthcare? I personally know small business owners that are open about supporting politicians because they don't want the minimum salary for exempt workers to be raised, so that they can continue to exploit immigrant "managers" to run their businesses and pay them $32k per year to work 60+ hours a week.

These are real matters that have affected me and many others in the country. To say politics isn’t significant is ridiculous.

Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by Fnoord on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:26PM (#25391231)
Politics is the opposite of insignificant, and everything is related to politics, so you're sitting on a ticking time bomb if you're as a group trying to ignore it. Ignoring the pink elephant in the room doesn't make it go away.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by natchy on Friday December 11, 2020 @05:27PM (#25392279)
politics is governing. most people don't govern. We have other jobs and roles.

My influence on politics is insignificant vs my influence on other things that will impact my quality of life and those around me. In fact, politics and political news are a huge time suck for lots of people. Might as well be playing video games or watching sports.

Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by Fnoord on Friday December 11, 2020 @05:38PM (#25392455)
> politics is governing. most people don't govern. We have other jobs and roles.

That depends on the definition being used [1]. IMO, using this definition of governing [2], governing is taking responsibility, we do it all the time, and it is tough at times.

An example of governing is deciding when to change your baby's diaper. You take responsibility to put in the time and effort (which boils down to money) to keep the baby healthy, proper, and happy.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics#Extensive_and_limited

[2] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/govern

Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by tubularhells on Friday December 11, 2020 @06:52PM (#25393369)
This is really autistic. Stop arguing semantics, this is not a linguistics forum.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by generj on Saturday December 12, 2020 @01:52AM (#25396246)
Please don’t use autistic as an insult.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by Fnoord on Saturday December 12, 2020 @04:01AM (#25396881)
I do have an ASD diagnosis so that part was at least factual.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by tubularhells on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:21AM (#25398080)
Brave of you to admit. This community needs to come clean on this, we have so many outspoken, autistic individuals here whose input morphs others' views on what is normal and socially acceptable.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by Fnoord on Saturday December 12, 2020 @09:00AM (#25398254)
Shrug, honestly I see it as a strength and weakness. Different, not less. Therefore nothing to be ashamed of. In my work, we (employer, co-workers, myself) reap the benefits of my ASD, while we work around the weaknesses.

The point that we are all governing in one way or another, like Greek Gods, still stands.

Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by tubularhells on Saturday December 12, 2020 @06:47AM (#25397678)
I'm autistic, and I use the word factually. I know what I'm talking about.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by godshatter on Friday December 11, 2020 @06:27PM (#25393086)
I don't know how to get there, but we need to somehow reacquire the notion that it's okay to like and interact with someone that you disagree with, politically or otherwise.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by tubularhells on Friday December 11, 2020 @06:50PM (#25393347)
It's also fine to cut crap people from your life, family or otherwise.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by rufus_foreman on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:29PM (#25399897)
For me, people who you can't cut from your life even if they are crap people is the definition of family.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by brippalcharrid on Saturday December 12, 2020 @05:12AM (#25397226)
Politics has the potential to impact every single area of your life. Your assets, your livelihood, even your life can potentially be taken away at the stroke of the legislator's pen, and this will be enforced by an apparatus that has been funded by your taxes, paid upon pain of imprisonment. We have been living through a period of relative political stability under governments that have tended to respect people's inalienable rights.
Re:Who Americans spend their time with, by age by gamechangr on Friday December 11, 2020 @09:28PM (#25394767)
We meed to work to repair this.

No matter who wins the election, we are likely to see half of the USA saying "not my president".

We need the families to be stronger.

We need more patience for things we disagree with.

We need to love and enjoy those who we disagree with. To have deep conversations that help others better understand different points of view. That's how real change could actually happen, instead of tribalism and every four years a new political party removes all the progress from the previous four years - so that nothing truly changes