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Re:What Is Your Time Worth? by conductr on Thursday December 10, 2020 @10:15PM (#25381865)
I managed $20M+ of consulting spend over past few years. I get what you’re saying. I do. I need results and I need SMEs so I’ll gladly pay the rates. But, I’ve come to think of contractor rates are actually just market rates and thus appear to be colluded. A similar thing I see happen in construction contracting as well. A “going rate” is informally decided (eg. price per foot for flooring installation), so I could get 10 quotes and they will look very similar; the outliers being fly by nights and the white gloves. I don’t see the rates as tied to much else than what they feel the market will bear. It will go up as quickly as the market will allow.
Re:What Is Your Time Worth? by kube-system on Thursday December 10, 2020 @10:24PM (#25381898)
Surely the demand for these services is not completely inelastic. If purchasers as an aggregate did not think that that the service was worth the price, other people would have to drop their rates or they'd not get business.

The fact that their rates are similar does not suggest they're colluded -- the going rate is expected to be similar between competitors in a competitive market. People with higher than average rates will be encouraged to drop their rates when people do not hire them, and people with low rates will be encouraged to raise them when they are swamped with work and are continually told they were the cheapest.

Re:What Is Your Time Worth? by conductr on Thursday December 10, 2020 @10:35PM (#25381974)
I said as much

> contractor rates are actually just market rates and thus appear to be colluded

But I’ve also seen these rates “protected” on the supply side (eg keeping resources benched, etc).

Typical salary “bands” for same role, experience, etc. are usually pretty wide. Hourly rate quotes are extremely consistent. Yet underlying value is labor.

To be clear, I’m not asserting that any foul play. Just an interesting observation.

Re:What Is Your Time Worth? by lock-free on Friday December 11, 2020 @12:03AM (#25382491)
Salaries are negotiated with far less information on one side and with less vigor than contracting rates, so that doesn't surprise me. If every hire knew what you paid every one of your reports, and they did likewise, the bands would probably be narrower.
Re:What Is Your Time Worth? by conductr on Friday December 11, 2020 @12:53AM (#25382768)
Interesting take about information availability on labor supply side. I feel like it's the opposite though. When I've been a part of BigCo salary band creation projects; the information we use is widely available. I've actually been a part of one that started by scraping glassdoor, salary.com, etc. Then we felt it would be good to buy the official data sets and they essentially where the same. However, it's not extremely clear how the equivalent would happen in contracting where it's usually custom bids and rates are much higher because they include non-labor components.

What I know for a fact happens, is if (for example) I were Accenture bidding on a project, I know I'm probably up against Deloitte on this project, let me buy my old coworker a beer, the one that now works at a Deloitte, magically both bids have same rate or Accenture slightly undercuts. This is labor intensive though, so what I'd really do is just bid you a price based on what I or my boss already know Deloitte is going to bid because we've already had those beers and the conversations are just common knowledge at this point. So it's not really collusion, but has similar consequences.

On the other hand, salary bands typically are referred to as "market rates" which is a misnomer. There's no way an efficient market should have that amount of deviation as you mentioned.

Re:What Is Your Time Worth? by motohagiography on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:15AM (#25385344)
All about market rates, but to me those are a function of batna. My pitch is more depth and skill with ability to execute than a big-5 team, at half the price. I focus on a skill mix that is sufficiently rare that I can leverage it for a small premium. Other thing is strategically, I need to charge enough that the clients will actually listen, as if they don't, it's going to cost me long term, and if they can afford to ignore me, they aren't paying enough.

It's a niche where I can legitimately say if you can afford less you don't need the value multiple I bring, and it's just straight contract labor, not consulting.

When the chips are down, sure, I absolutely do market work to survive, but when they're good, I can afford to do a value based pitch. Certainly a dynamic. :)