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Re:The Airbnbs by misiti3780 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:07PM (#25377157)
If Airbnb doubled on opening, should all the VCs + founders involve be pissed it was so badly mis-priced?
Re:The Airbnbs by gamblor956 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @05:02PM (#25379353)
Yes. In the past, mispricing this badly would lead to recriminations for the underwriters, including lawsuits and lost business.

For some reason, the financiers were able to convince the gullible tech founders that giving up 50% or more of the IPO to the financier's best buddies was a good thing. And in their greed, the founders gladly went along, screwing themselves and their employees in the process.

(Theoretically, the underwriters are granted a pop because of the risk they theoretically undertake. But by the time the IPO occurs, the underwriter has already lined up sufficient buyers and there is no longer much if any risk, certainly not a level of risk justifying most of the gains of the IPO).

Re:The Airbnbs by nrmitchi on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:18PM (#25377300)
The IPO price is for new shares which are created, and sold by the company.

VCs + founders would have been diluted a bit by that (~8% I think?) but they typically[0] still own all of the shares that they did previously.

[0] In some situations founders + VCs + early-employees can sell as part of the IPO itself. I do not know if that applied here.

Re:The Airbnbs by dlp211 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:14PM (#25377245)
The VCs and founders still have plenty of their shares to cash in.
Re:The Airbnbs by misiti3780 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:43PM (#25377649)
sure - but someone fucked up right? the bankers ?
Re:The Airbnbs by dlp211 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @03:36PM (#25378259)
Not in anyway an authority on this, but I don't think so. They have to price the stock based on fundamentals and make a best guess. Would a different bank have priced it higher? Maybe marginally, but probably not double or more.

Maybe someone with a better understanding can say something here but it seems like the way we do IPOs is not great. I'm not sure how to do it better, but I'm sure that there is a better way to do it. I guess this should be the next yCombinator startup. Disrupting the IPO landscape :P.

Re:The Airbnbs by hyperation on Thursday December 10, 2020 @06:08PM (#25380032)
SPAC could be the "better" way perhaps.
Re:The Airbnbs by rebelos on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:06PM (#25380573)
I think we can safely not blame the bankers for failing to assign a $100B valuation to a travel sector company that was valued at $31B before the pandemic.
Re:The Airbnbs by gamblor956 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @05:04PM (#25379379)
Yes, if a company gains significantly (or drops significantly) in an IPO, the underwriter royally fucked up.

In the old days, there would have been recriminations. These days, people just shrug and think it's acceptable that the financiers lock up most of the gains for economic value created (or, depending on your thoughts of Airbnb's business model, acquired) by others.

It's one of the reasons Wall Street has fought so hard to prevent become fiduciaries again. If they were fiduciaries they couldn't get away with crap like this.