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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by sixothree on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:23PM (#25366926)
He literally posted a video of people yelling "white power".
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by wang_li on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:11PM (#25367534)
If you're talking about the geriatrics in Florida, the video withsome geezers standing around with signs and others rolling by in golf carts, your description is woefully inadequate to convey the contents of the video. While someone does literally say "white power", it seems like trolling.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by ericb on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:16PM (#25367593)
The tweet was up for four hours! People pointed the "white power" part out right away. The president is always reachable by his people, by definition. It was more than a smoking gun.

No apology or explanation from him, not even an "oops." Here's the video Trump posted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wibk3QsT7-M

There's not much ambiguity there. Thanks to others for finding the link.

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by edgyquant on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:38PM (#25367133)
He condemned white supremacy only after receiving more backlash than he expected. Don’t be a revisionist we were all there it was just three years ago. The old adage is than when white supremacists believe you’re one of them you might as well be.
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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by edgyquant on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:30PM (#25367761)
I didn’t say anything about Biden dude. I’m perfectly capable of thinking they’re both problematic. As I said the fact that actual white supremacists, not from the media via their own boards, believe Trump is there guy tells you all you need to know.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by dumpsterdiver on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:57PM (#25368021)
> As I said the fact that actual white supremacists, not from the media via their own boards, believe Trump is there guy tells you all you need to know.

I disagree with this rationale. If the white supremacists also all listen to Nickelback, would that tell you everything you need to know about Nickelback? Maybe it would, but as a discerning person I would want to know more than just "We like Nickelback and we hate <random_genealogy> people" before I assumed that Nickelback was mascotting for that group.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by edgyquant on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @08:37PM (#25368425)
If they all heard dog whistles in nickelback then yes
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by flippinburgers on Thursday December 10, 2020 @03:00AM (#25371065)
And when flat-earthers look at the earth and deduce it is flat does that tell you all you need to know about the earth?
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by esarbe on Thursday December 10, 2020 @03:35PM (#25378253)
I don't think the earth is actually courting flat-earthers. Trump is doing that, and more. He's legitimizing white supremacists.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by shripadk on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @08:08PM (#25368150)
> I didn’t say anything about Biden dude

Yes you did not. I am not saying you did. But I made an observation on how Biden was given a free pass when he literally not just passed racist statements but passed bills that incarcerated tens of thousands of Black Americans and destroyed families. Providing a counter-balance to the biased narrative is important in this day and age. Media is completely biased. So is Big Tech with its censorship. When all streams of information are openly supporting one side it becomes even more important to speak out the Truth. I wouldn't have cared much if the media was evenly balanced. If it had taken both candidates to task. Had held both accountable. But the media has completely lost credibility. Even if I'll end up being disliked and downvoted for it so be it! But if I feel something is wrong I'll say it. No matter what people think.

> As I said the fact that actual white supremacists, not from the media via their own boards, believe Trump is there guy tells you all you need to know.

This is truly ridiculous to be honest with you. I am a brown guy. Does my view count or only what white supremacists say count for you?

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by shripadk on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:16PM (#25367595)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-9Yv6ahORs

See what Trump said about KKK and David Duke in 2000s when he aborted his Presidential Campaign (Reform Party).

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by anthony_romeo on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @10:00PM (#25369104)
I heard Trump loud and clear during the first debate. I don't care what he said 20 years ago.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by edgyquant on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:38PM (#25367842)
Trump was also a Democrat prior to Obama’s election. Opinions change and people radicalize.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by shripadk on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @08:07PM (#25368135)
Radicalize? Trump has pretty much said he condemns KKK even after winning the 2016 elections (30+ times and counting). I am sorry to say but your hatred seems to blind you to the facts.

> Trump was also a Democrat prior to Obama’s election

And he was a Republican prior to being a Democrat. It doesn't matter what party he belonged to. What matters is what views he held with respect to racism, KKK and white supremacy. It is more important to focus on views and policy than on party affiliations. Party affiliations mean nothing. Policy is everything.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by sixothree on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:39PM (#25367147)
No. Read this again. He literally posted a video of people yelling "white power".
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by rhcom2 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:41PM (#25367176)
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by confidantlake on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:41PM (#25367175)
The Confederacy fought to keep people as slaves. You can't claim it has nothing to do with white supremacy.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by sixothree on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:50PM (#25367296)
And you're responding to his shifting argument.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by Proziam on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:40PM (#25367156)
Just to add, here's the full clip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs

I think everyone should watch this for themselves and decide whether the media's portrayal of what Trump said is reasonable and fair.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by heavyset_go on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @08:09PM (#25368160)
You've linked to the second interview he gave about Charlottesville. In his first statements[1] in an interview on August 12th, 2017, he famously didn't condemn white supremacists who murdered someone, saying instead that he condemns "egregious displays of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides".

Then, several days later in the second interview[2] on August 15th that you linked to, he equates the violent white nationalists that murdered someone with what he calls the "alt-left", the purported group that the murder victim belonged to, saying that he thinks there is blame on both sides. After asking for further clarification, he says that there were fine people on both sides. Only after further questioning, and in a separate statement, does he condemn white supremacists.

People were criticizing him for his initial equivocation on August 12th, comparing the white supremacists who murdered a person to the victims of their violence, and the fact that he didn't name or condemn white supremacists. In fact, when journalists asked him to condemn them, he walked away from the interview. He refused to differentiate between the two.

Then, on August 15th, he defends his initial comments through his continued equivocations in the second interview.

It isn't unfair to criticize inappropriate equivocations, especially when it took him 4 days to muster out a condemnation, but still only after doubling down on the equivocations.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/08/12/tr...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/trump-alt-lef...

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by 1958325146 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @11:46PM (#25369828)
I couldn't find the quote in your citation 1 so I looked it up.x

"...we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charolottesville, Virginia. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides, on many sides."

https://youtu.be/CMQWJDVg8PA?t=48

It seems like that is condemning the white supremacist doing the murdering, among others.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by mike00632 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:04AM (#25369955)
It's even worse than how you phrased it. Trump brought up violence on "many sides" in response to pressure to condemn violence and intimidation from white supremacists. His suggestion that there is other violence was a quick "what about" argument that was supposed to argue in favor of his refusal to condemn white supremacists.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by sixothree on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:46PM (#25367232)
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by Zuider on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:39PM (#25367854)
This is not the Charlottesville event. This occurred several months afterwards. Nor were those white supremacists. In fact, they were old age pensioners taking part in a Trump rally at a retirement complex in Florida. Anti-Trump protestors arrived at the scene and began shouting angrily and abusively, using the terms 'racist' and 'Nazi.' At one point in the clip, a single individual sitting in a golf cart sarcastically retorted to that abuse in clear mockery of the barrage of over-the-top insults.

The BBC News article, while clearly biased against Trump, provides enough context to read between the lines.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53212685

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by sixothree on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @10:14PM (#25369202)
Look at the comments you are responding to. He twisted the argument far away from my one-line statement. You succumbed to a classic tactic of racists.