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Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by civilized on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:26PM (#25365325)
But you could get your own data and the list of people authorized to see it, and pass that to a third party. If you and one of your friends both move to another network, you get to see each other's data. Any problem with this?
Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by x86_64Ubuntu on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:37PM (#25365513)
What if I don't want you telling folks that you are my friend? Why do you get to divulge this information to a third party that I know nothing about?
Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by mindcrime on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:56PM (#25365804)
Can you stop your real-world friends from divulging your friendship to 3rd parties? Would you even presume to have any standing to do so?

I think a case could be made that knowledge that <A friend B> belongs to A and B equally and that neither has standing to preclude the other from sharing that fact. Of course they could both mutually agree to such an arrangement ahead of time, but outside of such an agreement, I have a hard time seeing the case for "B prevents A from telling C that A and B are friends".

Another aspect of this though, is "how much can A tell C about B without permission from B?" We know that IRL, people do get angry when friends reveal overly personal details about their lives to others, so this is definitely something to consider.

Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by alisonkisk on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @08:11PM (#25368178)
Many states have two party consent for audio recording, for example. Not every interaction is or should be freely licensed to both parties.
Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by mindcrime on Thursday December 10, 2020 @11:10AM (#25375187)
Not every interaction is or should be freely licensed to both parties.

Agreed. And I am not arguing that it is, or should be. But the mere fact that two people are friends seems to me, at first blush, to be something that normally either person would be free to share.

Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by sogen on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @05:26PM (#25366163)
Like that Seinfeld episode where George _happily_ gives Jerry's address to the dog owner...
Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by x86_64Ubuntu on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @05:46PM (#25366410)
So there aren't things known between my friends and I that we wouldn't want divulged to a third-party?
Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by mindcrime on Thursday December 10, 2020 @11:12AM (#25375211)
So there aren't things known between my friends and I that we wouldn't want divulged to a third-party?

I'm not sure how you got that from what I said above. Obviously there are such things. But I do think it's an open question to what extent we can compel our friends to keep things private. Of course if someone is really a "friend" you would expect them to keep confidences if requested... that's part of the definition of "friend" in my mind.

Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by alisonkisk on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @08:11PM (#25368180)
Want is different from entitled.
Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by x86_64Ubuntu on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @10:28PM (#25369298)
Then we have to dispense away with the whole privacy nonsense that runs rampant on HN concerning things such as ad tracking, location tracking and other data metrics. Because in that case, instead of the friend giving away our data, it's a 3rd party with whom we have a voluntary relationship with who is giving away THEIR data that we generate.
Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by gampleman on Thursday December 10, 2020 @05:40AM (#25372210)
Surely that could be solved by crypto? I.e. you don't actually get a list of names, but list of asymmetric keys, and when your friend joins their key can match the one in my list?
Re:FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization by stinkytaco on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:41PM (#25365584)
I think it becomes a "defaults" problem. Lots of people do not understand or care about "the social graph" so when prompted for consent to allow someone else to export them in a social graph, they simply click whatever gets them into Facebook the fastest. That also has the negative effect of giving companies an out when confronted with privacy concerns. It's like shrink wrap licenses. You can always say someone agreed, even if they didn't understand it in any meaningful way.