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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @01:24PM (#25361873)
He has the right to put out lawsuits. He looks like a buffoon, but he has the right.

He does not have the right to ask state governors to ignore the election results and appoint electors who will vote for Trump. That is far beyond the legitimate exercise of Trump's rights.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by macspoofing on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:56AM (#25373704)
>He does not have the right to ask state governors to ignore the election results and appoint electors who will vote for Trump. That is far beyond the legitimate exercise of Trump's rights.

I want you to step back and really consider the reporting on this by taking into context the kind of reporting of the behind-the-scene Trump Administration actions that came out of the media. And given that, I have no idea how you can possibly take this interpretation at face-value.

For the last 4 years, there has been an egregious claim after another, each more bonkers than the next, unverified, stemming from some 'anonymous sources' against Trump that has time and time again proven to be without merit. Every.single.week.

Just recently, a news cycle was devoted to the claim that Trump will barricade himself in the office if Biden wins. Just prior to the election, multiple news cycles were devoted to reporting on Trump destroying postal boxes to prevent mail-in voting. A little before that, Trump was accused of ignoring Russian bounties on American soldiers (another meritless claim that was disavowed by the the Taliban, Russian, American Intelligence and Army with no evidence presented by NYTimes). Again, this occurred every single week for the last 4 years.

And you don't even have an ounce of skepticism of reporting that Trump in a private conversation asked governors to break the law, given how this kind of stuff has been reported, time and time again?

The gaslighting of the last 4 years has been insane and the media is simply incapable of objective straight reporting on Trump. I know how that sounds, but that's what it is.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by esja on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @02:15PM (#25363035)
Is that true? Doesn't he have the right to ask the governors to do this, or to ask them to buy him an ice cream, or to sing him a love song? They have the right to decline - he can't compel them to do anything.

Whether he should do it is a different question.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by newacct583 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @02:48PM (#25363613)
Generally no, because trying to convince a state actor to break his own state's laws is criminal conspiracy (though the details are specific to each state). These states have laws about how elections are run, most/all of them criminalize election fraud, and none of them allow the legislature to select electors directly.

The theory here is that the US Constitution, because of wording in Article II ("Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors [...]") that if interpreted hyperspecifically[1] implies that the legislature alone, and not Governor or state law, has the power to appoint electors. That has never been tested in practice.

But regardless, it would still be a state crime to do it. So no, he doesn't have the right.

[1] Obviously the reasonable interpretation of this line is "States decide for themselves how to choose electors", not something that makes assumptions about the structure of state government.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by esja on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @02:50PM (#25363639)
Very interesting, thank you.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @02:44PM (#25363528)
Well, the courts have the legitimate authority to hear the cases. The governors do not have the legitimate authority to grant Trump's request. So filing lawsuits in court is a legitimate action in a way that the requests to governors are not.

Whether people have the right to request governors to perform illegitimate actions... that probably depends on your definition of "right", and I don't care very much about having that debate.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by esja on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @02:47PM (#25363590)
Fair enough, I shouldn't have argued the semantics. I agree with your general point.