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Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by itsoktocry on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @01:20PM (#25361793)
>Or, framed differently, California is looking for deep pockets to bail out their failing budget rather than adjust their policy to match what they can afford.

You mean the budget that included tax abatement and subsidies for his factories and the people who buy his cars?

Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by beambot on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @01:31PM (#25362023)
You mean abatements & subsidies required to push "clean" vehicle policies that are among the most aggressive in the world?

Without Tesla & CA's policies, auto electrification would be at least a decade behind what it is today... Being at the forefront of environmental policy has real costs.

Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by yxwvut on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @02:41PM (#25363476)
Perhaps the private beneficiaries of those subsidies should bear some responsibility for covering the costs?
Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by darawk on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @02:48PM (#25363605)
Why? The purpose of those subsidies is to benefit all of us. Not to benefit Elon Musk. He's just the only one who stepped up to solve the problems for us.
Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by elindbe2 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:02PM (#25364913)
California would've had to make that responsibility known up front. They chose not to do that.

And California directly benefitted from the money they spent. That benefit is electric vehicles in the hands of its population, which improves the state's pollution levels long-term.

Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by yxwvut on Thursday December 10, 2020 @06:43AM (#25372614)
Agreed on all fronts. More of a 'woulda-coulda-shoulda' than anything.
Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by HeadsUpHigh on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @05:11PM (#25365979)
No that should have been stated upfront. A deal is a deal.
Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by kobayashi on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @02:55PM (#25363740)
That would drastically undermine the point of those, and any future, subsidies. I would also find it to be immoral.
Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by beaner on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:55PM (#25364788)
Unpopular opinion:

Electric cars & clean tech generally have made leaps and bounds because consumers want it. Climate agreements help somewhat, but they're a lagging indicator of the trend.

Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by threeseed on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @02:50PM (#25363636)
Paris climate targets will have done far more to push EV forward than Tesla/CA.

Most governments e.g EU, UK, China all looking to curtail/ban ICE cars within the next few decades. And of course this has resulted in car manufacturers rapidly pushing EV cars.

Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by busterarm on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:36PM (#25364476)
And mass market EVs weren't really a mass-market thing until Tesla pushed the luxury brands to compete with them.
Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by threeseed on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:48PM (#25365702)
Mass market EVs started appearing exactly after EU regulations forced them to be made.

Tesla has helped but be would have EVs today even if the company had never existed.

Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by imgabe on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @05:58PM (#25366529)
It's impossible to say what would have happened in a different timeline, but Tesla made electric cars cool. Yes, there were EVs before, they were half-assed token efforts by the big automakers to pretend that they were trying. Tesla forced them to be competitive.
Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by beambot on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @10:58PM (#25369509)
Are you talking about the same EU regulators that barely gave volkswagen a slap in the wrist for dieselgate?

EU regulations had approximately zero impact on Tesla's formative years -- and Tesla was the first auto manufacturer to meaningfully commit long-term (and not lip service) to EVs. VW and others are still today talking about how they're playing catch-up.

Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by coryfklein on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:14PM (#25365108)
If California wanted to make those subsidies conditional on folks like Musk maintaining residency, they certainly could have done so.
Re:Elon Musk moves to Texas by oh_sigh on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @01:48PM (#25362448)
It's not like Elon held a gun to the legislature to pass those subsidies.

This sounds a bit like abusive spouse behavior.

"I'm leaving"

"You can't do that - what about all those nice things I gave you?"