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Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by mistermann on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:35AM (#25346553)
> the difference here is that your example is lukewarm extremist content at best

That is "a" difference, not the difference

> This kind of content paints wild ideas but does not contest reality

It describes reality in ways that are not actually true.

> or directly incite weird actions.

You do not know the direct or indirect consequences of such content. Understanding causation in a complex, chaotic system is far beyond the cognitive capabilities of the human mind. To make it even worse, the mind typically (and incorrectly) perceives itself to be capable of such calculations.

> Here's some examples of what I mean

I belong to a wide variety of communities - I could also provide similar examples of silly thinking from those who fall into various categorizations. I don't disagree that the "far right" types may indeed pose greater risk (but to be clear: whether that is actually true, is unknown, and a body count perspective strongly suggests otherwise [1]), but to speak as if they are the only risk worth worrying about is itself contesting reality.

Reality is infinitely complex, but the conscious mind does not perceive it this way. Even worse, it (the mind, which is in ultimate control of each comment posted on forums like this) seems to refuse to even consider (almost without exception) that it is infinitely complex. I believe that this may be much more dangerous than it may appear (to the mind...which may happen to be just a little biased on the subject).

[1] Here I refer to war, in general, which is not the fault of "the far right", who seem to very conveniently get all the media attention.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by helen___keller on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:51AM (#25346831)
I wouldn't say only far-right extremism is dangerous, any extremism that incites actions and contests reality is dangerous.

Gnews (or atleast the Guo stuff) is arguably not even far-right, most of their content is orthogonal to US left/right divisions and they just happen to be supportive of Trump as Trump is vocally anti-China (and because they allied with Bannon in the past year or so)

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by mistermann on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:59AM (#25346950)
To clarify: have you modified your opinion on the matter such that you now no longer consider far right beliefs to be especially dangerous, but rather only note that they are one of many risks, and that the true risk in the system is unknown and largely unknowable due to the inherent complexity of a large chaotic system?
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by helen___keller on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @11:15AM (#25347213)
> have you modified your opinion on the matter such that you now no longer consider far right beliefs to be especially dangerous, but rather only note that they are one of many risks

This was always my belief. If you examine my original post[0] I do not even discuss left/right framing, your response to my post introduced it.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25345741

> and that the true risk in the system is unknown and largely unknowable due to the inherent complexity of a large chaotic system

I hadn't previously considered where the "true risk in the system" lies because my concerns with misinformation are more local (will my mother-in-law do something crazy this week?), but yes I would say that I think this is a reasonable assessment. If you're thinking of society as a system, then it is impossible to determine precisely which elements introduce risk of social instability/destruction for precisely the reason you mention.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by mistermann on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @11:26AM (#25347381)
Ah, my mistake...I attributed a portion of the general topic to your comment (ah, the sweet irony)!

Rather than far right, I actually meant the subculture that you (seemed) to be referring to. But your last response here well illustrates that you seem to appreciate the complexity (and uncertainty) of the system, which is the fundamental idea I was hoping to introduce into the memeplex.