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Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by frabbit on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:20AM (#25345427)
Roll this event back 25 years and people would be claiming that he was radicalized by Satanic heavy metal played backwards. Or jazz and marijuana. Or that Protestant heresy.
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by user-the-name on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:28AM (#25345546)
Those things did not exist.

Far-right extremism on Youtube actually exists.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by moojd on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:35AM (#25345622)
I assure you jazz does indeed exist.
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by user-the-name on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:38AM (#25345669)
Jazz that radicalises you to mass murder does very much not exist.
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by rimiform on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:52AM (#25345888)
Music has never radicalised anyone, nor video games. There's only a type of music (games) people listen to (play) who then go on to do radical things.
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by user-the-name on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:54AM (#25345911)
What?
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by rimiform on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:33AM (#25346519)
Sorry, I mixed up comment chains. Someone referred to how black metal bands in Norway burned churches and people routinely claim violent video games cause violence, but I'm saying the causality goes the other way. Church-burning Norwegians 'cause' black metal, rather than the other way around.
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by watwut on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:29AM (#25345554)
To be fair, this happened, note the "Church arsons and attempts" chapter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_sc...

In 1992, members of the Norwegian black metal scene began a wave of arson attacks on Christian churches. By 1996, there had been at least 50 attacks in Norway;[2][27] in every case that was solved, those responsible were black metal fans.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by boomboomsubban on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:39AM (#25345679)
Kind of. Everyone involved with the attacks seemed to be directly connected to the local black metal scene at the time, but it's not like the music itself inspired people worldwide to burn churches.
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by throw_m239339 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:56AM (#25345949)
> it's not like the music itself inspired people worldwide to burn churches.

unfortunately...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/03/us/louisiana-black-church...

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by boomboomsubban on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:25PM (#25348395)
>Mr. Matthews has also said that he was copying similar crimes committed in Norway in the 1990s in an effort to elevate his status among the black metal community,

His entire reason was to ingratiate himself with the scene, the music still had little relevance.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by rimiform on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:41AM (#25346644)
It's much more likely that the desire to burn churches makes you more likely to make black metal/be a black metal fan than that black metal makes you want to burn churches.

It's reverse causation, kind of.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by pjc50 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:01AM (#25346019)
.. who were also of the far-right. Which is the real linking factor here.
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by watwut on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:47AM (#25346761)
Music can be and in practice is vector for far-right propaganda too. Or I guess far-left, except I knew about neonazi bands when I was younger and did not knew about communist bands. By neonazi bands I mean bands whose lyrics propagate those ides. Distinction without difference in this case, basically.

It was not metal, it was rock in that case. But here, those metal bands were also expressing their ideas and opinions in their songs.

There was such a thing as disproportional moral panic around metal in USA. And there was also such a thing as metal bands actually being like that. It is like ... there was satanic moral panic where a lot of innocent people ended up suffering. And then there was real world child abuse going on too.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by 082349872349872 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:27AM (#25345530)
Roll back three or four centuries, and one can find claims about radical Quakers:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23859546

"In its first few pages, the book accuses the Quakers of obscenity, adultery, civil commotion, conspiracy, blasphemy, subversion and lunacy. Milton was not out of fashion in applying bad manners to propaganda. It is merely regrettable that he did not transcend the frailties of his time."

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by badconvincer on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:21AM (#25346316)
No comparison for a variety of reasons least of which being that a lot of this propaganda reaches a lot of the older folks as well.
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by wesleywt on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:03AM (#25346060)
If you listened to metal you didn't go out and shoot Muslims. On YouTube you have people deliberately manipulating facts to convince people to follow their extremist views. You are comparing apples to oranges. You should compare the history of propaganda media such as radio (Nazi's and Rwanda), TV and the internet.