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Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by finnthehuman on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @08:54AM (#25345062)
I think we're lying to ourselves when we look for answers that don't acknowledge systematic failure modes in socialization of today's youth. The baddies du jour isn't the root cause, just a link in a long causal chain. It's a cop out to say focusing on the baddies du jour is part of a multi-pronged approach, the other prongs aren't there or consist of perfunctory hamfisted interventions.

But it's not really a surprise, our current approach to mental health is one of sweeping problems under the rug and hoping the rug doesn't notice. It's treated as a heartwarming story when someone is talked down from the side of a bridge, because comparatively nobody notices that they spend the rest of their life at a just-below-jumping threshold level of misery.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by pjc50 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:56AM (#25345951)
> current approach to mental health

This is a red herring; nowhere in the section of the report on him does it describe him as being mentally ill, and it was not a sentencing factor at his trial (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53919624)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/12258... : ". He said after being assessed by the psychologist and psychiatrist, there was no evidence the terrorist suffered from any mental disorders or psychiatric conditions, or that he showed any clinically significant cognitive impairment.

The psychologist determined he displayed a range of traits akin to a personality dysfunction, but not to such an extent as to constitute a personality disorder"

> systematic failure modes in socialization of today's youth

This is rather complicated, because we're talking about radicalisation; he was "socialized" (or at least brought to those views) by the wrong adults, which he chose himself.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by meheleventyone on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:59AM (#25346947)
He's also an adult himself and I believe was an adult when he was radicalized so that bit on "socialization" makes even less sense.
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by watwut on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:25AM (#25345500)
> But it's not really a surprise, our current approach to mental health is one of sweeping problems under the rug and hoping the rug doesn't notice.

But I would say that people with mental health problems will always exist too. And we absolutely should also focus on those who intentionally push them toward extremism and then toward violent action.

Because trying to pretend that issue is just mental health or just socialization is not accurate either.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by ryanmarsh on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:15AM (#25345351)
Events like this are a gold mine for opportunistic policy makers and think tanks.

The initial read on Ted Kazinsky was flat wrong. He was practically manufactured. I’d like to know more about the origins of Brenton Tarrant.

Both took the time to write lengthy manifestos which, if you read, were more than what you’d get from a YouTube binge. Ted, was, somewhat of an original thinker. Tarrant less so. Fascinating.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by thrower123 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:31AM (#25345585)
It's a little bizarre that Kaczynski was a published mathematician of some note before he fell afoul of MK Ultra

https://medium.com/cantors-paradise/the-mathematics-of-ted-k...

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by wil421 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:32AM (#25345594)
You see the problem here is that crazy has many forms. Like Ted Kazinsky crazy can be smart and intellectual. The writings seem to make sense, especially for a young mind, and people develop an empathy for the cause. People read his manifesto and others like Mein Kumph and sometimes people, especially growing minds, seem to think it makes sense.

YouTube and other videos are much worse because you have full scale productions instead of books and letters. Do you remember the ISIS state videos? Where everything looked peaceful and welcoming? Then when people go there it was hell on earth, some raped, some killed, some even worse.

There’s a line we haven’t figured out between free speech and hate speech. Ted’s manifesto is more like free speech but the ISIS stuff and Nazi stuff is pure hate.

Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by codetrotter on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:01AM (#25346016)
> Mein Kumph
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by badconvincer on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:12AM (#25346188)
Why would it be mental health? It’s a idealistic terrorist plain and simple. The very fact that you would suggest mental health issues is deeply disturbing.
Re:Christchurch shooter was radicalized on YouTube, New Zeal... by cvhashim on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:12AM (#25346178)
It’s a bit jarring when the excuses pour out of the woodwork for white lone wolf shooters and terrorists. I don’t disagree with what you say about systemic failures in the health system, but on the other hand, it ignores the crisis of white, young men getting radicalized at alarming rates.