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Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by mauvehaus on Monday December 07, 2020 @08:26PM (#25340404)
The Atlantic'a piece about the sinking of the ferry Estonia contains some interesting pieces of information for anybody who might like to survive a sinking in the future. It might also put you off getting on ships.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-s...

Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by Maakuth on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:44AM (#25342582)
https://onse.fi/estonia/ here's the text of the final report of the accident. It's a thoroughly written document, recommended reading for anyone interested in the details.
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by echelon on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:16AM (#25342154)
I love vivid, harrowing writing like this.

Despite seeing James Cameron's Titanic, I never pictured the ships themselves as being such an obstacle to survival.

This makes it feel so real. It's haunting.

Do you have anything more like this?

Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by zaarn on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @03:10AM (#25343047)
If you can accept Planes instead of Ships, Mayday is a good show that guides on through the accident investigations of plane crashes (from a short video of the crash with details removed, through the investigation process and then finally a short section on the recommendations issued)
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by 542354234235 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @08:02AM (#25344536)
Some people find it scary, but I find it reassuring. The investigations always show an insane number of things that had to go wrong in a very specific way for the crash to happen. No engineering is perfect and things are going to fail, but watching those things shows how effective the swish cheese safety method is for 99.999whatever% of flights that never crash.
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by goodcanadian on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @05:55AM (#25343807)
It is the same show, but it has different names: Air Crash Investigation

Also (according to Wikipedia): Air Emergency (National Geographic Channel, U.S.) Air Disasters (Smithsonian Channel, U.S.) Mayday: Air Disaster (Weather Channel, U.S.)

Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by zaarn on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @07:12AM (#25344219)
My TV Organizer names it Mayday, hence I use that name.
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by goodcanadian on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @08:12AM (#25344610)
Sure, and Mayday is the original name. I was simply trying to be helpful to others who might have trouble finding it.
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by chrissnell on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:22AM (#25342472)
Wow. Incredible story and far better than the WIRED clickbait drivel that this HN post links to. Thanks for sharing this.
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by Radim on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @05:17AM (#25343649)
Chilling quote:

> Thiger heard a clear comment from only one passenger, a man nearby, who joked, "Ha! Now we have sailed against an iceberg!" and took another gulp of beer. The singing continued unabated.

Surely, this couldn't be happening to us!

Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by Radim on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @07:28AM (#25344316)
I continued reading, what a rabbit hole. Apparently the cause of MS Estonia's sinking, as documented in that Atlantic article, is bogus.

New evidence points to a submarine collision and tampering of evidence in the initial 1994 investigation:

* https://news.err.ee/1140442/head-of-ms-estonia-investigation...

* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/04/maybe-now-well...

The whole shebang, with "crazy conspiracy theories", ridiculed for decades for claiming a hole in the hull and weapons transported onboard, now vindicated. What a mess.

Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by polytely on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @07:51AM (#25344456)
This is an amazing read, highly recommend it if you are scrolling past
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by claviska on Monday December 07, 2020 @10:42PM (#25341503)
This was an incredible piece of writing. Thanks for posting the link!
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by pauljurczak on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:43AM (#25342577)
Good, but the numerous references to the ocean, 14 of them, indicate sloppy writing. Baltic is a relatively small, shallow and closed sea. It can be fierce, but ocean it is not.
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by overscore on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @02:23AM (#25342780)
That's misguided pedantry, I think. Most seas are a subset of the ocean, and the Baltic is an arm of the Atlantic.
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by pauljurczak on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:02AM (#25395718)
Not to be too pedantic, but there is no connection between the Atlantic Ocean and Baltic Sea. The North Sea separates them.
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by mongol on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @05:49AM (#25343783)
And in addition, the article was published in The Atlantic.
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by pauljurczak on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @01:55AM (#25356044)
Pedantry? Perhaps. Baltic Ocean, no way! No Atlantic Sea, either.
Re:How to Escape a Sinking Ship by bluGill on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @08:52AM (#25345016)
Seas tend to be worse than oceans from what I can tell. In the deep ocean there is plenty of water, and little to hit. Thus even when things go wrong there is plenty of forgiveness for error. Shallow seas not so much, off course by a few meters can be fatal. Of course there are exceptions - as an expert in sailing not me for details.