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Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by renewiltord on Monday December 07, 2020 @12:41PM (#25334575)
It's hard to describe to people who are both White and American. That's not because they're inherently incapable of understanding. It's just a problem you don't face as much so you don't understand it.

It's like how for most of my life I barely understood the mitigating measures women take in many situations where I don't even notice the situation.

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by gamblor956 on Monday December 07, 2020 @01:52PM (#25335617)
I'm sure that Midwesterners are super polite to other white people, but it was definitely not my experience there as a minority.

I was born in the US but my ethnicity is visually ambiguous and people assume I'm Mexican, Filipino, or Indian (in that order) based on the type of brown person they grew up with. In CA, no one particularly cares what type of brown person I am. But when I lived in Ohio, I was told that I should "go back home where [I] came from", that I'm one of the good ones and should bring more of my family over, or that I'm "stealing jobs from honest Americans," based on whether the redneck in question thought I was Mexican, Filipino, or Indian. My cousin and his wife, in Indiana, used to experience the same harassment regularly until they started wearing their scrubs everywhere so people would know that they're doctors.

I turned down a very well-paying job in Ohio (and came back to CA) because the people there were so vile.

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by coldtea on Monday December 07, 2020 @01:51PM (#25335604)
>It's hard to describe to people who are both White and American

Many immigrants are even more religious and/or convervative than "White and American".

Just of a different culture.

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by renewiltord on Monday December 07, 2020 @03:21PM (#25336894)
Sure, I'm certain it's hard to explain to other groups as well. "White and American" wasn't meant to be exhaustive.
Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by gedy on Monday December 07, 2020 @12:44PM (#25334623)
East Asian family in different parts of Texas are California expats and love it.
Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by renewiltord on Monday December 07, 2020 @12:48PM (#25334686)
Yeah, it's not a universal thing¹ but the short version is that one of my friends was told how he was "one of the good guys" and not the kind of immigrant they hate.

And another was in sales in industrial manufacturing and there was a lot of misogyny and low-grade racism there.

They're in WA now so and much happier.

¹ the "isn't happening to me" thing is sort of analogous to "works on my machine". Because of the range of stuff, things usually do "work on my machine".

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by nitrogen on Monday December 07, 2020 @01:06PM (#25334946)
The immigration issue is more complex than that. I met a guy a long time ago who immigrated illegally, but eventually decided to go legit. He built a fortune in the shipping pallet business, and complained loudly about unfair competition from illegal immigration because those companies could pay sub-living wages and skip out on safety and workers' comp insurance.

It's fine to prefer living in one culture over another, which is exactly what both your friend and the people they complained about are doing.

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by renewiltord on Monday December 07, 2020 @01:21PM (#25335181)
Certainly. I did not mean to imply a global ordering of places to live. I interpreted the original question "what practically speaking is so intolerable about living there or your neighbors?" as "what ... is so intolerable [for someone who doesn't wish to live there] ...". It is perfectly reasonable that you find it enjoyable to live there and I find it intolerable. I interpreted the question as "why do you find it intolerable" not "why should I find it intolerable" since the latter is harder to answer - I don't know your desire vector and/or moral foundations.

And to be clear, I did not mean illegal immigration. I meant legal immigration.