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Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by system2 on Sunday December 06, 2020 @11:29PM (#25329326)
Aren't there supposed to be some sort of insurance for this type of a thing?
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by wolfgang42 on Sunday December 06, 2020 @11:34PM (#25329342)
Wikipedia traces the origins of General Average to 800 BC, so it rather predates the modern insurance industry—it’s basically a group insurance policy where you only have to pay the premium if something happens. Nowadays if you’ve insured your container that will also cover GA for the shipment, but if you shipped uninsured you have to pay it yourself.
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by est31 on Sunday December 06, 2020 @11:55PM (#25329434)
Actually a pretty cool idea. Otherwise you'd have people bribing the captain to make them throw out their stuff last, increasing fare prices for everyone, but in a hidden way.
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by tshaddox on Monday December 07, 2020 @01:27AM (#25329840)
Couldn’t this just...still be happening? Wouldn’t this general average concept only provide better cover for a secret bribing system?
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by est31 on Monday December 07, 2020 @06:24AM (#25331182)
Indeed you can still bribe the captain for throwing someone else's cargo out, but that wouldn't bring you any benefits, except of some hassle. In the event of cargo being thrown out, you will have to pay your part of the loss, regardless of if it was your crate that was thrown out or someone else's. If it was your crate, you will get its value replaced (minus your part of the lost value ofc). As there is no damage, why would you want to bribe them?
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by londons_explore on Monday December 07, 2020 @07:18AM (#25331431)
Declare your cargo as hardly worth anything, then actually send gold bars, and bribe the captain...
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by michaelt on Monday December 07, 2020 @07:45AM (#25331596)
Then the port mysteriously loses your cargo, and compensates you the full $500 you said it was worth.
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by Hitton on Monday December 07, 2020 @09:10AM (#25332215)
Declare your cargo as being gold, then actually send lead bars, and bribe the captain to dump it.
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by dannyw on Monday December 07, 2020 @12:26AM (#25329558)
I mean if I have important or. valuable cargo, let’s say MacBook Pros, it seems efficient and beneficial to have some clothes thrown out first before my container.
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by wolfgang42 on Monday December 07, 2020 @12:43AM (#25329646)
Not if they spend so long moving aside your laptops to find the clothing that the entire ship sinks. With General Average they can sort out the problem ASAP and then do the math later to repay you so that you and the clothing manufacturer both only lose 10% of your cargo’s respective values.
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by ocdtrekkie on Monday December 07, 2020 @12:39AM (#25329631)
If three people died trying to save your MacBook Pro, that'd be bad. Which is why the idea is based around not caring what's in a given container.
Re:A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers by cromka on Sunday December 06, 2020 @11:48PM (#25329401)
That doesn't sound bad. If you ship a lot, you may save money on the insurance fees and only chip in in the event something actually gets lost. The insurance fees would obviously include the actual premiums (income) of the insurers, which you save the money on, so in the long term it should cost you less, shouldn't it?