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Re:About Google's approach to research publication – Jeff Dean by pseudalopex on Friday December 04, 2020 @04:43PM (#25308499)
Her manager said "effective today".[1]

[1] https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1334364736457240577

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Re:About Google's approach to research publication – Jeff Dean by ergocoder on Friday December 04, 2020 @04:55PM (#25308666)
I don't know what that means. It could mean her employment status is off today. Or it could mean she can't access any corp material but her status is on.

It's fairly standard to let the employee leave the building immediately but still on payroll for 2 more weeks.

Again, I think it's a non-issue. Both wants to part way. Either party can singlehandedly make that date earlier.

It seems one side brings up this point because other points are not salient, so they try to make it like "you see they fire me today. I actually want to leave in 10 days instead. This is unethical!!". It's a weak point and muddles the main point.

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Re:About Google's approach to research publication – Jeff Dean by pseudalopex on Friday December 04, 2020 @05:24PM (#25309066)
You brought it up.

"Effective today" has legal meaning. It's an issue because it shows Google acting in bad faith.

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Re:About Google's approach to research publication – Jeff Dean by ergocoder on Saturday December 05, 2020 @01:50PM (#25317141)
Not really. You want to leave. The company let you leave immediately. That's not bad faith.

What would be bad is letting a disgruntled employee hanging around company accessing company's material.

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Re:About Google's approach to research publication – Jeff Dean by wpietri on Friday December 04, 2020 @05:14PM (#25308941)
No, she did not want to part ways. If she did, she would have quit. Instead, she said she needed certain things to keep working there. That pretty obviously indicates a desire to keep working.
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Re:About Google's approach to research publication – Jeff Dean by dragonwriter on Friday December 04, 2020 @05:17PM (#25308973)
> Instead, she said she needed certain things to keep working there.

And, from what I understand, that she wanted to discuss the issue in person when she returned from vacation (which she was on at the time.)

EDIT: I point this out because I think that this potentially recasts the whole communication from an non-negotiable ultimatum to something more like a fair warning to avoid blindsiding anyone going into an in-person discussion in which negotiation is implicitly anticipated.

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Re:About Google's approach to research publication – Jeff Dean by ergocoder on Friday December 04, 2020 @08:55PM (#25310886)
> And, from what I understand, that she wanted to discuss the issue in person when she returned from vacation (which she was on at the time.)

Then, she should have said that.

It would be ridiculous for Google to let her hang out at the company.

"Oh we cannot meet your meet ultimatum for sure. But please feel free to hang around and finish your vacation. We'll wait for you, a disgruntled employee, to choose when to leave."

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