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Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by dahfizz on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:25AM (#25302483)
> The right to disconnect refers to a worker’s right to be able to disengage from work and refrain from engaging in work-related electronic communications, such as emails or other messages, during non-work hours.[1]

What does that even mean? Is the EU also going to come out with the "Right to breathe" and the "Right to go to the bathroom when you need to"?

I'm really frustrated with how the term "right" has been watered down. Rights used to be innate freedoms of the utmost importance, something worth dying for. Now it's just shorthand for some benefit the government provides, or something that the government allows you to do (often with lots of stipulations). Rights are no longer something innate to all humans, they are something that the government gives to you when it wants.

[1]https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/observatories/eurwork/indust...

Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by flohofwoe on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:29AM (#25302526)
It's called "Worker's Rights" after all:

https://globalnaps.org/issue/workers-rights/

I'd put that under "Safe and healthy working conditions" and "reasonable limitation of working hours".

Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by trisiak on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:33AM (#25302580)
> Is the EU also going to come out with the "Right to breathe" and the "Right to go to the bathroom when you need to"?

Yes, when it becomes a practically accepted norm to violate that right. Is your point that government is overstepping the bounds, or that this type of right does not deserve protection? Or is it just about the semantics and definition of the word "right"?

> Rights are no longer something innate to all humans, they are something that the government gives to you when it wants.

I always thought that the humanity creates communities, countries and their governments to protect those rights, among other things.

Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by lol768 on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:39AM (#25302656)
Worker's rights _are_ rights of the utmost importance.

I'm curious as to how your perspective on these worker's rights and EU regulations generally has arisen ... is your primary experience of employment one based on working in the United States (which is ranked lower than a large number of European countries in the 2019 ITUC Global Rights)?

Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by exDM69 on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:31AM (#25302561)
It means that if your contract is for 37.5 hours per week, you don't need to do email and be available on im outside of your daily 7.5 work hours. Being on call needs to be negotiated separately.
Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by CommanderData on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:30AM (#25302548)
Rights aren't a thing until done by law.

Otherwise you are at mercy of company policy or whims of your employer.

Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by blonde_ocean on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:45AM (#25303544)
From a US Constitutional perspective, rights are inherent, and the Bill of Rights protects citizens from laws that infringe on those rights. Rights are not given by the government via laws, they are inherent protections from invasive laws set by government.
Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by kube-system on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:59AM (#25304708)
That concept is called 'natural rights', and it wasn't invented by the US constitution. That document is just one of the more notable formal recognitions of natural rights in modern times.
Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by kube-system on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:03PM (#25304762)
Natural and human rights exist too, and they are often a bar by which we judge legal rights.
Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by user-the-name on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:31AM (#25302552)
The right to not work all the time is most definitely an innate freedom of utmost importance, sitting directly on a line throughout history in the fight for worker's rights.
Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by spaetzleesser on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:02AM (#25302950)
“The right to breathe” is actually a very important right and has led to environmental regulations. It’s correlated to “the right to not be harmed by others”.
Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by Mauricebranagh on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:23AM (#25303223)
There are laws about the number of toilets minimum temps ion the work place in the UK as well as breaks.

I assume the USA has building regs on toilets etc in work places

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Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by cdirkx on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:30AM (#25302534)
Th right to breathe seems like something worth dying for.
Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by jodrellblank on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:47PM (#25305402)
That basically happened:

> The Clean Air Act 1956 was an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom enacted principally in response to London's Great Smog of 1952

> When the "Great Smog" fell over the city in December 1952 the effects were unprecedented: More than 4,000 people are thought to have died in the immediate aftermath,[4] raising public concern, with fog so thick it stopped trains, cars, and public events.[5] A further 8,000 died in following weeks and months.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Air_Act_1956

Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by 0xfaded on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:29AM (#25302525)
Every regulation like this is a band-aid, and more band-aids will just make the EU even more quintessentially the EU.

If the governance focused on restoring negotiating power to workers, you wouldn't need to write to your MP to go to the toilet.

Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by chmod775 on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:42AM (#25302703)
>If the governance focused on restoring negotiating power to workers

The right for workers to form a union is also a worker's right worth protecting.

But this is not a workable solution for every single employment relationship.

Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by yladiz on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:34AM (#25302593)
Are you saying I should have to negotiate the number of toilet breaks I get?
Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by dahfizz on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:30AM (#25302540)
Yes, some people's work conditions are very bad and something needs to be done about that. That's beside the point.

If you need to ask the government to give you the right to use the bathroom, or to give you the right to not check your email, you've already lost.

Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by user-the-name on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:33AM (#25302589)
What? That makes no sense.

This is the exact reason you even have a government, to protect your rights.

Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by WJW on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:35AM (#25302607)
That is the point though. Some of these people have indeed "already lost" to the companies employing them and need assistance from a government or other powerful organisation to bring back some balance to that relationship.
Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by pjc50 on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:36AM (#25302614)
Well, yes, you've already lost because your employer is taking that away from you?
Re:EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home by dmitriid on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:34AM (#25302591)
So, your proposal is? Leave everything as is and change nothing?