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Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by rbanffy on Thursday December 03, 2020 @07:10PM (#25297310)
It's incredibly hard to prove discrimination or harassment was based on ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion, or political views, even when it is.

You say "people with those types of built in personal issues float to the top" aren't you implying their positions are not earned based on merit and, therefore, that they are less competent than their peers?

Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by suifbwish on Thursday December 03, 2020 @07:23PM (#25297433)
I am implying that they often scare away their competition by attacking the character of the individuals who they work with, rather than focusing on true accomplishments that would give them legitimate merit for the positions they aspire to. Their supervisors can even be intimidated into promoting them if they have a history of filing complaints of discrimination when things don’t go their way.

It’s also possible that some promotions/hires are based on desired political appearance of the company. Promoting someone based on certain race and gender types ironically makes your company seem less racist and sexist to the casual outside observer.

Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by gnusty_gnurc on Thursday December 03, 2020 @07:58PM (#25297677)
I think there’s definitely a dynamic in any dogmatic arena (social justice is dogma heaven) where the most pathological people thrive.

In the high-dogma arena there’s incredibly easy and visible signals that give you the ability to appear like “one of the good ones.”

I think coincidentally this is highly attractive to elite circles too. Follow all the social justice rituals and shibboleth and you suddenly get the camouflage of an empathetic, good person.

Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by rbanffy on Friday December 04, 2020 @06:56AM (#25301350)
> Follow all the social justice rituals and shibboleth and you suddenly get the camouflage of an empathetic, good person.

If a person is indistinguishable from a good human being, isn't it actually a good human being?

Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by username90 on Friday December 04, 2020 @07:11AM (#25301432)
No, plenty of rapists and abusers etc do all the social justice rituals.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by rbanffy on Sunday December 06, 2020 @06:35AM (#25322839)
Then they are distinguishable by observable behavior.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by gnusty_gnurc on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:08AM (#25302333)
It's like they didn't read any I wrote - or just demonstrated how much the woke let down their guard if people shut up and do whatever they say.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by lawnchair_larry on Thursday December 03, 2020 @09:37PM (#25298300)
> You say "people with those types of built in personal issues float to the top" aren't you implying their positions are not earned based on merit and, therefore, that they are less competent than their peers?

Many are, yes. I had to hire one because my director’s bonus was implicitly tied to a diversity quota OKR, and the VP’s bonus was explicitly tied to one, which he blogged about as a shameful virtue signaling PR exercise. They didn’t even interview her. Then we way over-leveled her to boot, because there was another stupid OKR to grow diversity among senior levels. And this was at a big tech company that you’ve definitely heard of.

This is happening at many companies who claim that they aren’t lowering the bar.

Truth be told I had already lowered the bar and wanted to pass her but still couldn’t justify it. I didn’t want to deal with the diversity police and had my fingers crossed that she would be the one.

Some perfectly capable white guy didn’t get an opportunity as a result.