Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google
by wil421 on Thursday December 03, 2020 @02:15PM
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TBH it doesn’t matter if she is right or wrong. Her tone and angry writing is pretty harsh.
The Twitter replies read a lot like her Google message thing. She’s got a lot of good things to say but needs to work on the delivery.
I think she’s playing the victim and race card a lot more than she should. She’s got all the ammo she needs to make her arguments without the angry victim tone.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google
by igor47 on Thursday December 03, 2020 @02:40PM
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Have you considered that there are many other people with the same thing to say, who are saying it with the respectful tone you demand, and are being just as politely and quietly ignored?
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google
by dekhn on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:14PM
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I think the simplest thing to be said about messaging and tone is this:
If your goal is to say things to convince people to change their behavior, it makes sense to spend some time thinking about how your message and its tone will be perceived, since that has a big impact on how people receive and process the message.
Based on a long career of watching people trying to convince the others, attacking people is typically a failing strategy. Instead, learn how to message in a way that is non confrontational, and most importantly, make it clear what is your opinion, versus fact.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google
by wil421 on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:12PM
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Yes but I’m not a prominent AI Ethics Academic with ties to 2 of the best colleges in the country, Stanford and MIT. Who also had a very good job at one of the most sought after companies in the world, Google.
When she speaks people listen. Nobody listens to wil421.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google
by steve_g on Thursday December 03, 2020 @09:31PM
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Well, she didn't get ignored. Instead, she got fired. If that was her goal, then she succeeded. If it wasn't, maybe she should have taken a different approach.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google
by sudosysgen on Thursday December 03, 2020 @02:38PM
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I agree that her tone is not good, indeed. It's true that this is a big problem on Twitter especially. I still think it is an interesting and under-discussed point, though.
I'm sure LeCun knows this too. It's a fact that has been known for almost 40 years now, that for a given generalization system multiple bias modes are are possible, and of course the process of optimizing architectures against a biased benchmark will change the learning bias of the model. It's not just datasets that are biased, generalization systems are necessarily biased too.
As for the last line, I don't know that it should be expected for employers to fire employees pursuing recourse against sexual harassment.
I'm sure we can agree that the tone wasn't good, but she does have a point in saying that it's not possible to reduce the bias to datasets used to train the final model.
The paper : http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tom/pubs/NeedForBias_1980.pdf