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Re:Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers wh... by thomascgalvin on Thursday December 03, 2020 @12:40PM (#25291778)
I think the main points are:

1. Their own struggles aren't new: companies have been trying to fuck workers over since time immemorial, and 2. There is a well-known solution to these problems: unions.

Are you working 16 hours a day, barely able to afford rent + food + utilities, and slipping further into debt every day? It doesn't have to be that way, and we have a really good idea, based on historical facts, about how to fix it.

Re:Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers wh... by syshum on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:27PM (#25294300)
you do know that Appalachia is still the poorest area in the US, and the unions did not fix the economic problems.

yes it provided the employees that were still employed with greater protections, but it is not the utopia you seem to believe it is

Re:Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers wh... by andybak on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:33PM (#25294384)
Nobody claimed a utopia. Extracting natural resources is always going to be a tough job that is ripe for exploitation.

Did unions improve the lives of members? They certainly did where I come from. American labour history is more complex (union corruption and take over by organised crime seemed to run deeper)

Re:Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers wh... by syshum on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:06PM (#25294935)
That depends, sure you can point to examples where the Union did improve peoples lives

But then i can also point to examples where they did not, where they ended up driving business out, bankrupting people

Where unions are more focused on their own political power than helping workers

Or even if in general the union helped the "average worker" the collectivist nature of unions means not everyone will be better off. For example Seniority, and "personal connections" are often more of a driving factor in Unions than merit or work performance. In fact highly efficient hard workers are often driven out of unions or forced to "work slower", etc.

Re:Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers wh... by DFHippie on Thursday December 03, 2020 @06:48PM (#25297104)
>That depends, sure you can point to examples where the Union did improve peoples lives But then i can also point to examples where they did not, where they ended up driving business out, bankrupting people

The answer to this is not airy theorizing or anecdotes but statistical evidence. There are many people who do this. See for example figure 9 here:

https://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagnation/

Re:Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers wh... by mcguire on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:57PM (#25294789)
Do you get vacations? Have a (nominally) 40-hour work week?
Re:Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers wh... by syshum on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:03PM (#25294878)
lol, that is not a valid response to criticize of unions. Sorry but no
Re:Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers wh... by objectivetruth on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:51PM (#25295663)
And "Appalachia is still a poor region" is not a valid criticism of unions.