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Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by dleslie on Thursday December 03, 2020 @01:33AM (#25286122)
How could they not be toxic? The ability to advocate for yourself has been given to someone else, over something as intimately personal and important as the labour you undertake for the majority of your waking hours. They are your only advocate, in the absence of strong regulation and legislation, because in a union arrangement it is inappropriate for the employer to advocate for the employee against the union.

I don't need to outcompete on donations; I need to collectively pool my cash with other like-minded individuals in order to pay for political activity that will coerce and convince legislators. Those with the most money don't necessarily win, but money is the key to gaining access. I've had my representative read to Parliament an exerpt of a letter that I wrote; there was nary a need for money to get that response, only access.

My employers have never been interested in what I do with my money, and I suspect they would be _far_ more interested if I were to begin organizing a union.

The solution to employee abuse is legislation and regulation, not yet another layer of political bureaucracy.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by sudosysgen on Thursday December 03, 2020 @01:49AM (#25286230)
Your employers are interested in their interest. If you're going to be using your money in an interest category where your win is their loss, they were care proportionally to your effectiveness, no matter the methods.

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>How could they not be? The ability to advocate for yourself has been given to someone else, over something as intimately personal and important as the labour you undertake for the majority of your waking hours.

You can structure a union in such a way that hierarchy is very weak and involvement is direct. The reasons why this often isn't the case are interesting, and you should read about them.

The root if the issue is this : your ability to advocate for yourself is almost nil. You need to get together with your fellow workers to have any impact. By doing so, you will lose some of the flexibility in your advocacy, but will receive greatly increased power.

Literally the only politically effective lobbying group for the average person is a union. There have been many studies done about it.

I have second hand experience with four unions, and first hand experience with two. All but one were great, and the one that wasn't was clearly deficient for obvious structural and social reasons thah could be addressed.

In any case, you're free to continue wasting your money. You will be contributing to PACs that will eventually get bureucratized, ossified, ostracized, and turned against you, and because you plan on aligning yourself with extremely narrow organizations that lack the power to withold labour, they will collapse and crash.

Not only that, but success in such politics is a question of money and connections. The entire tech sector, totalling tens of trillions of dollars in valuation, is better connected than you are, will be able to vastly outspend you, and will do so in a much more efficient way than you can via a heterogenous network of PACs.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by dleslie on Thursday December 03, 2020 @01:59AM (#25286295)
I mostly donate to NGOs and political parties directly; I get to see my dollars go directly to those who help those in need, and as a party member I get the opportunity to shake hands with legislators and talk policy with them directly. I helped get the husband of a friend elected mayor of my city. This has had a meaningful impact.

I see unions having enormous utility for those living where there is effectively one employer, and who have no real market for their labour. That's where unions shine.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by sudosysgen on Thursday December 03, 2020 @09:43AM (#25289267)
Unions don't have to be limited to a single employer, and their actual advantage isn't any of that, their actual advantage is that they allow you to effectively withhold your labour, which is even more effective if you are in high demand.

In any case, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by dleslie on Thursday December 03, 2020 @12:55PM (#25292039)
If I'm in high demand then I don't need any help finding leverage; other, potential employers are leverage enough.