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Re:U.S. states plan to sue Facebook next week: sources by bmitc on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @11:56PM (#25285544)
What right does Apple have to make hundreds of billions dollars and to continually abuse their wealth for more power? You act as though Apple is suffering. It's pretty ridiculous.

This isn't a draconian government takeover. It's to prevent a company, of all things, becoming more powerful than many governments in the world. Companies have no allegiance to the people and must be checked.

> Support free products with your wallet instead

That's not how society works. Humans can be abused and manipulated and deceived. I have seen scenarios in which Apple was a customer of another company. Apple was incredibly abusive in many ways, and this was toward a billion dollar plus company. How do you think Apple treats or cares about others, including its own customers?

Re:U.S. states plan to sue Facebook next week: sources by lawnchair_larry on Thursday December 03, 2020 @01:46AM (#25286210)
It’s not that they need a right to trade beyond a certain amount, it’s that you don’t have the right to stop them. Why do you think you can dictate who can buy and sell from who, especially on the basis that they are somehow too good at it?
Re:U.S. states plan to sue Facebook next week: sources by bmitc on Thursday December 03, 2020 @02:02AM (#25286316)
> it’s that you don’t have the right to stop them

I don't, but the government does if they are doing so in a harmful way that violates laws and agreements.

> Why do you think you can dictate who can buy and sell from who, especially on the basis that they are somehow too good at it?

Again, I don't think anything of the sort. I didn't say that. And they aren't being punished for being "too good" at what they do. They are, or will hopefully be, punished because they are good but then they abused that to be even better. It's the abuse that's the problem.

Re:U.S. states plan to sue Facebook next week: sources by jevgeni on Thursday December 03, 2020 @02:10AM (#25286378)
Really? What specific laws and or agreements did they violate?
Re:U.S. states plan to sue Facebook next week: sources by xvector on Thursday December 03, 2020 @01:36AM (#25286146)
> What right does Apple have to make hundreds of billions dollars and to continually abuse their wealth for more power?

The same right that literally every other private entity has to use their existing wealth and power to gain more?

> This isn't a draconian government takeover.

Oh, for all intents and purposes it absolutely is - you are giving the government enough power to corral and coerce corporations into doing their bidding. See the ridiculously unethical actions the Trump administration is taking against TikTok after they ruined his Tulsa rally, for example.

> Companies have no allegiance to the people and must be checked.

And governments do? Governments abuse their power to the maximum extent legally possible all the time. Often, they go further. A cursory reading of United States history will show you that the government is not your friend, it never was, and at every moment possible it is also vying for more power, more control, more surveillance.

As long as Apple has not turned into a monopoly there isn’t really a concern here. There is an available market for the products you want. Just because they are not as capable as the ones Apple makes, does not mean you get to coerce Apple into doing your bidding.

> > Support free products with your wallet instead

> That's not how society works.

But it is. There is a flourishing community around libre products. The PinePhone has been a hit. There are large communities around reasonably open Android phones.

Re:U.S. states plan to sue Facebook next week: sources by jevgeni on Thursday December 03, 2020 @02:09AM (#25286369)
Then don’t buy their products. It’s not difficult.