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Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by pdonis on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @08:32PM (#25284181)
What alternative would you propose? You can't just remove Boeing as a company: they have tens of thousands of existing aircraft in the field that need to be maintained, and a large number of people who were not at fault in all of this whose jobs would be eliminated. So how do you hold the proper people accountable without doing so much collateral damage that the cost of that outweighs the benefits?

Also, responsibility doesn't just like with Boeing; the FAA certified the 737 MAX, and the rules that allowed that to happen were written by lawmakers and bureaucrats over a period of decades. How do you hold all of them accountable? Many, if not most, of those people aren't even actively working any more.

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Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @09:47PM (#25284686)
The alternative is obvious - corporate manslaughter charges, aimed at management that knew plane was unsafe and pushed on regardless.

> " collateral damage so cost of that outweighs the benefits"

Do we have a system a justice or do we not? You seem to suggest some people are above the law. Let's see, could that possibly lead to corruption and abuse of power?

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Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by pdonis on Thursday December 03, 2020 @12:13AM (#25285638)
> The alternative is obvious - corporate manslaughter charges, aimed at management that knew plane was unsafe and pushed on regardless.

And the obvious defense to that is that the FAA certified the plane. Then what?

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Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by dnautics on Thursday December 03, 2020 @12:20AM (#25285682)
737 max should be permanently decertified, boeing should take all associated losses. FAA officials should be charged with manslaughter.
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Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by ClumsyPilot on Thursday December 03, 2020 @08:10AM (#25288451)
FAA officials should face consequences, but boeing purposefully misled the regulator and got away scott-free.
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Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by pdonis on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:28PM (#25295294)
> FAA officials should face consequences

And their obvious defense is that they were acting entirely in accordance with statutes passed by Congress and regulations approved by the statutory process for doing that.

Then what?

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Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by josefx on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:56AM (#25286994)
Certification was almost entirely done by Boeing in-house, with the design specs. it forwarded to the FAA not reflecting the final state of the system.
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Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by pdonis on Thursday December 03, 2020 @12:07AM (#25285607)
> You seem to suggest some people are above the law.

I'm suggesting no such thing. I'm simply pointing out that "justice" is not as simple as you are making it sound.

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