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Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by qmarchi on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:42PM (#25282039)
The trick is that there's an auditable trail of things that she did. Notably, she bypassed restriction in our code change system which would've required review. The policy around bypassing that is explicitly to only be used in emergencies.

Again, reasonable for her to be fired.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by YokoZar on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @06:15PM (#25283084)
> Again, reasonable for her to be fired.

The NLRB is where decisions like this are argued. They weighed the evidence, with a much fuller view than any of us here, and came to the conclusion that the firing was illegal.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by inerte on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @05:03PM (#25282300)
Is there anyone else that has every bypassed this step, but wasn't fired? What's the definition of an emergency?

Also it seems reasonable to me her complaint that this hurt her reputation, after all you're a Google employee and here you are smearing her in a public board. I know you're gonna say "I don't speak for my company", to which I will reply: It seems you're a Google employee, and you're speaking as a Google employee. It's distasteful that a Google employee find the need to accuse her in public like this. Is that a view shared by your co-workers? Do you all usually go in public boards to speak ill of past employees? To reveal why they were fired?

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by splaytreemap on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @05:14PM (#25282429)
People bypass this step all the time. The difference is they all have a good faith belief their managers would approve the change if they were available. Spiers 100% knew her changes wouldn't be approved by project leadership, and she used an emergency push to bypass their review.

Honestly, the fact that she has the gall to complain to the NLRB about this firing is pretty despicable. Google should be suing her for defamation.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by YokoZar on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @06:19PM (#25283128)
> Honestly, the fact that she has the gall to complain to the NLRB about this firing is pretty despicable. Google should be suing her for defamation.

This is such an ill-informed understanding of how labor law works I'm not sure where to even start. You have a legal right to assert your legal rights, as was done here. The NLRB is akin to a trial court that makes the determination and issues judgements.

Winning a legal case is not "defamation".

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by xyzzyz on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @06:29PM (#25283237)
NRLB cases are not "legal cases", they are administrative proceedings from which one has pretty much no actual legal recourse.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by claudeganon on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @09:36PM (#25284605)
The have redress through the U.S. Court of Appeals for noncompliance with their decisions, so this really isn’t true at all.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by xyzzyz on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @10:09PM (#25284873)
The other side have no real recourse, though.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by amscanne on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @06:27PM (#25283225)
I work at Google, but have no inside knowledge of these events.

I doubt that Google spontaneously published the reason for the firing. AFAICT, the former employees went to the press following their firing, and the "violation of security policies" explanation was the response to articles initiated by the former employees. It's not clear to me how the parent's comments are a smear, unless the statement that "she bypassed restriction in our code change system" is not factual (which I don't know, but I have no reason to doubt it).

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by judge2020 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @05:07PM (#25282352)
Not a Googler, but probably "to fix the json in case someone leaves out a comma causing the notification system to no longer work".
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by joshuamorton on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @09:23PM (#25284517)
> Notably, she bypassed restriction in our code change system which would've required review.

[Googler, opinions my own]

This is not true. The code changes in question were done normally. The policy "exemptions" were in regard to the rollout of the resulting binary, which are well described here[0].

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25280028

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by olliej on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @05:53PM (#25282855)
She got approval from her manager and passed a code review.

What more was she meant to do?

She didn't bypass anything.