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Re:H. G. Wells reviews "Metropolis" (1927) by mixmastamyk on Monday November 30, 2020 @05:47PM (#25260035)
I recently watched Metropolis for the first time with my kiddo, to learn about silent film and earlier ideas about the future. That it was set 100 years in the future and nearing 2027 made the prospect intriguing.

While some of the themes are obvious—rich living in the sky, poor toiling underground… I had trouble fully understanding the point of the lady robot and "heart mediating between the head and the hand" angle. Wells' helped me come to a better understanding, thanks for that.

I think he gets much right, about art's fear of technology. I found his complaints about car and plane models nitpicky however. (They had already spent too much, I suppose they could have spent more.) I am generally pro-technology/efficiency, however there are negative aspects that often need to be addressed for the good of society, and aren't.

But then he drops square into urban planning and the density/NIMBY debate, which affects many parts of society today:

    That vertical city of the future we know now is, to put it mildly,
    highly improbable. Even in New York and Chicago, where the pressure on
    the central sites is exceptionally great, it is only the central office
    and entertainment region that soars and excavates. And the same
    centripetal pressure that leads to the utmost exploitation of site
    values at the centre leads also to the driving out of industrialism and
    labour from the population center to cheaper areas, and of residential
    life to more open and airy surroundings.

    That was all discussed and written about before 1900. Somewhere about
    1930 the geniuses of Ufa studios will come up to a book of
    Anticipations which was written more than a quarter of a century ago.
    The British census returns of 1901 proved clearly that city populations
    were becoming centrifugal, and that every increase in horizontal
    traffic facilities produced a further distribution.

    This vertical social stratification is stale old stuff. So far from
    being 'a hundred years hence,' Metropolis, in its forms and shapes, is
    already, as a possibility, a third of a century out of date.

He's both right and wrong, and there is definitely a tension between these forces today. Mid-century the movement was outward, these days inward. It took decades, but NIMBYs seem to have finally lost the upper hand, in my city at least. Population is increasing so it is somewhat inevitable in the long run.

Interestingly, Wells also gets bogged down in the details of mechanical efficiency, which have put numbers of folks out of work. But when we watched it, my brain immediately converted the factory to a metaphor of modern work, not the physical production of cheap goods. We see today it is quite possible to fleece the poor and increase homelessness by limiting housing and inflating assets, cheap goods or not. Manipulating the masses has never been easier, as well. In any case, lots to think about.

Re:H. G. Wells reviews "Metropolis" (1927) by blue-dragonfly on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:08PM (#25261498)
If you are interested in the evolution of film, including the silent ones, this course on MIT OCW is a good resource:

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/literature/21l-011-the-film-expe...

I subscribed to the Criterion Channel after watching the lectures, which has a number of the movies referenced in the course. I developed a new appreciation for Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin. There is a lecture on German film:

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/literature/21l-011-the-film-expe...

Prof. Thorburn doesn't seem to like Metropolis either:

> It's much admired by certain film scholars, although not by me.

Re:H. G. Wells reviews "Metropolis" (1927) by lokedhs on Monday November 30, 2020 @11:17PM (#25262255)
I think the heart thing reflects a somewhat serf-like idea. That you were born into a class, and that was your role for the rest of your life. If that is your frame of mind, then the conclusion of the movie makes perfect sense. The most honourable thing the ruling class can do in such a world is to give their workers some free time.

That said, I don't know what Lang's political views were, and Serfdom has been abolished in Germany for about 100 years when the movie was made.

I actually like like the movie quite a bit, but I've always been disappointed with the ending.

Re:H. G. Wells reviews "Metropolis" (1927) by acqq on Monday November 30, 2020 @07:03PM (#25260665)
> He's both right and wrong

That's my main impression from a lot of texts written by Wells about the "modern" world. Reading them, it's easy not only to recognize that he had wrong predictions, but even that he didn't have a good enough idea about the world of his time. Interestingly enough, in spite of that, some of his observation and conclusions based on them, when they were correct as far as his myopic view reached, can be indeed lucid.

Still, I'm very sure that he's not at all unique, neither in his time nor in our current. Most of us are myopic as soon as we start to write about the "big" topics, and even more when our political biases are to be present. In many decades, whatever we saw wrong will be much more obvious.

Re:H. G. Wells reviews "Metropolis" (1927) by vixen99 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:26AM (#25263487)
Like GB Shaw, HG Wells (both brilliant men) was completely taken in by the monster called Stalin (Uncle Joe) who ran Russia from Lenin's death in 1924 to 1953 when he died.

“In him I realised that Communism could after all, in spite of Marx, be enormously creative. After the tiresome class-war fanatics I had been encountering among the Communists, […], this amazing little man, with his frank admission of the immensity and complication of the project of Communism and his simple concentration upon its realisation, was very refreshing. He at least has a vision of a world changed over and planned and built afresh,”

Anyone who has romantic illusions about that period should read Montefiore's `Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar`.

Re:H. G. Wells reviews "Metropolis" (1927) by Gibbon1 on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:07PM (#25261851)
> I found his complaints about car and plane models nitpicky however.

Reminds me of when I used to fly for work a dozen times a year. A 737 is basically a bus with wings. Probably even less so. And a further point like me sitting a 737 back in the 80's Metropolis's denizens I think don't find their technology dazzling.

Re:H. G. Wells reviews "Metropolis" (1927) by lou1306 on Monday November 30, 2020 @06:40PM (#25260500)
The "mediator" actually could be a slight nod to fascism and its alleged goal of bringing "harmony" between the workers and the ruling class. Thea von Harbou, who was Lang's wife at the time and wrote the screenplay for Metropolis, later became a member of the Nazi party.
Re:H. G. Wells reviews "Metropolis" (1927) by pmoriarty on Monday November 30, 2020 @07:35PM (#25260883)
There are a number of articles and videos discussing and ultimately dismissing the charge that Metropolis was a pro-Nazi film.

"Fritz Lang's Monster: Was Metropolis a Pro-Nazi Film"[1] by Elly Hoffman is one of these, and it echoes the conclusions of the others:

"Thea Von Harbou may very well have attempted to slip her pro-Nazi opinions into Metropolis, but ultimately Metropolis not only does not reflect how Nazi Germany operated in practice -- -- the Nazis' failure to truly uplift the working class -- -but it actively disregards and objects to the pillars of Nazism. The Führerprinzip is rejected in Metropolis' critique of Joh Fredersen, the Volksgemeinschaft is contradicted in its promotion of general equality and its lack of a 'racial enemy', and the Judenkampf is contradicted in the absence of an all-evil Jewish caricature, as well in Metropolis' portrayal of the beauty of technology not lying in its use for exterminating the enemy, the Jew, but instead as being the very goal when building Utopia. The Nazi ideals, the Nazi vision of Utopia, not only does not exist in New Babylon, but Maria and Freder's mission ends up casting such ideals and visions into the gutter."

[1] - https://medium.com/science-technoculture-in-film/fritz-langs...

Re:H. G. Wells reviews "Metropolis" (1927) by lou1306 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @10:24AM (#25265928)
I found this critique misdirected. The thesis is that the ending of Metropolis, not the plot, has some fascist undertones. The author even admits:

> while Metropolis might posit some ideas with regard to cooperation between the classes for the ‘greater good’

But the movie does not stop there. It actually says "Gee, wouldn't it be nice if there was some Mediator guy that made everyone get along?". That's the "slight nod" I was referring to.

And the thesis that a movie is not leaning towards a certain ideology because it does not present all of its principles in spades is untenable. Olympia and Triumph of the Will also lack an "evil Jewish caricature" and "enemy-exterminating technology", but does that means they "object to the pillars of Nazism"?

Edit: I should clarify, I do not want to diminish the artistic value of Metropolis, which I love. I am just pointing out that it's better seen as a "fairy tale" (as Lang himself said) than as a "political" movie.