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Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by ignoramous on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:46AM (#25254222)
https://calyxos.org/ is another promising Android fork similar in ideals to https://grapheneos.org/
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by ThenAsNow on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:34AM (#25254799)
Thanks for posting this. I spent some time looking at how "de-Googled" GrapheneOS is. If you define "de-Googled" as meaning the phone makes no connections to Google servers that you do not explicitly acknowledge/permit, then GrapheneOS is still far from "de-Googled". Just to give one example, SUPL. There are also plenty of unGoogled-Chromium patches GrapheneOS doesn't apply. I'm not saying GrapheneOS isn't way better than the Android that ships on phones, but it's misleading to pretend they care about de-Googling as a first tier priority.

GrapheneOS does do some privacy oriented work, but it's far more focused on hardening.

I look forward to examining /e/ and CalyxOS since their focus is more heavily on privacy. For my use cases, I'm less worried about hardening than privacy.

Also, it's a lot of work to keep Android both up-to-date and de-Googled. I started patching GrapheneOS and realized I did not have the bandwidth to maintain the patchset. And still had no good answer for SUPL. Hopefully CalyxOS and /e/ have maintainers with the bandwidth.

Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by jmnicolas on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:44AM (#25254911)
You don't have to use Vanadium on GrapheneOS, I use Bromite (mostly for the ad blocking) and there's also an ungoogled chromium available in FDroid.
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by csagan5 on Monday November 30, 2020 @02:29PM (#25257829)
/e/ uses all of Bromite's patches as well; I asked them to mention this in the About section, since it is basically a rebranded Bromite that they are shipping.
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by Throwaway1771 on Monday November 30, 2020 @01:16PM (#25256968)
And normal Chromium, which gets faster patches, and can be configured not to send telemetry etc.

Do it carefully, though.

Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by Throwaway1771 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:16AM (#25274728)
You cannot have strong privacy confidence without strong security confidence.