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Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by bluedevil2k on Monday November 30, 2020 @08:54AM (#25253661)
Try the ETF with the symbol "RSP". It's an S&P 500 fund, but each of the 500 is equally weighted. In other words 0.2% of the fund. The theory is that the larger companies in the S&P 500 have less growth potential, or are already overvalued, compared to the smaller companies.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by JumpCrisscross on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:04AM (#25253771)
> Try the ETF with the symbol "RSP". It's an S&P 500 fund, but each of the 500 is equally weighted.

Note that an equal-weighted index will tend be more volatile, have higher turnover (i.e. more trading costs and short-term tax effects) and be sensitive to value over momentum in comparison with a market-cap weighted index like the S&P 500. The former have outperformed the latter over the last decade (EDIT: no, it hasn’t. I was looking at a biased source.)

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by dgrin91 on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:54AM (#25254319)
To put the nail in the coffin, take a look at a comparison between the two: https://www.google.com/finance/quote/.INX:INDEXSP?sa=X&ved=2...

Historical performance of RSP has always lagged behind SPX

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by beezle on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:05AM (#25254452)
That is not true at all. RSP has for many years outperformed SPX over many different time horizons. It really is not until 2019 that there is a significant underperformance which also coincides with the outsized top 10 market caps.

ref: https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf.php?RSP,SPY

change the window size to whatever time horizon you want.

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by lotsofpulp on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:11AM (#25253840)
Have equal weighted indexes outperformed market cap weighted indexes in the last decade?

Morningstar shows VOO with a greater total return than RSP for past 5 years and since inception. I didn’t see past 10 years at a quick glance, but I imagine it’s the same.

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by JumpCrisscross on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:01AM (#25254395)
> Have equal weighted indexes outperformed market cap weighted indexes in the last decade?

No, it hasn’t. I had a bad source. Thank you.

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by bryanlarsen on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:14AM (#25253874)
The argument is that the top five are overvalued. If so they would have outperformed during the period they became overvalued.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by lotsofpulp on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:19AM (#25253938)
I was replying to JumpCrisscross’s comment.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by bryanlarsen on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @10:45AM (#25266133)
And I was responding to the thread, not to you specifically.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by anotherman554 on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:18AM (#25253916)
I don't know why you would limit your dataset to the last decade. That doesn't seem a valid analysis, even though it might be easier to lookup with free tools online.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by lotsofpulp on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:20AM (#25253948)
I was replying to JumpCrisscross’s claim about performance, which specified the last decade between equal weighted and market cap weighted indices.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by htfy96 on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:16AM (#25253903)
My preference would be holding normal SPY and hedge the overweighted NASDAQ stocks with short NQ futures. In this way you only need to rebalance the NQ futures which benefits from 60/40 rule with better tax rate.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by beezle on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:12AM (#25254521)
The 60/40 rule cuts both ways. You are also subject to daily market to market cash/margin drawdowns.

It is probably easier to just buy RSP and then buy virtually any 'market' or tech etf/mutual fund to round up the top 10-20% weighting as you want it. The reason I say any will do is that there is little difference in the holdings of most of the etfs and funds.

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by bluedevil2k on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:03AM (#25254428)
Note, it’s an ETF so there’s no tax consequences directly on the buyer until it’s sold.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by refurb on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:00AM (#25253728)
How often does the fund get rebalanced?

That’s the nice thing with the market cap weighted SP500 funds, no tax consequences from rebalancing.

But you could plug “RSP” into a tax-advantaged account.

Edit: You can owe taxes even if you don’t personally buy/sell.

As a fund shareholder, you could be on the hook for taxes on gains even if you haven't sold any of your shares.

https://investor.vanguard.com/investing/taxes/mutual-funds-e...

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by jzwinck on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:14AM (#25253881)
What personal tax consequences arise from rebalancing within an index fund?
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by brtkdotse on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:24AM (#25253985)
None, that's the point of a fund.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by lotsofpulp on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:30AM (#25254758)
An index ETF won’t have tax consequences until you sell the ETF. An index mutual fund can cause you to have to pay taxes:

https://money.usnews.com/investing/investing-101/articles/et...

> Since mutual funds trade directly through the fund manager, the manager may need to sell shares of the fund's investments to generate cash needed to cover redemptions. This causes mutual funds to buy and sell within the fund more frequently than ETFs. And every time the trades generate net capital gains within the fund, it creates a taxable event for investors.

"Mutual funds are legally required to pay out capital gains to their shareholders each year," Jessee says. Even if you don't sell your shares, you may get a tax bill for gains incurred within the fund. This could happen even in a fund that's losing value.

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by throw0101a on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:34AM (#25254787)
Assuming that it is held in a taxable account. For most people, for most of their portfolio, it will probably held in a tax-sheltered account (e.g., 401(k) retirement in US).

If you've maxed out all your sheltered accounts, and are worried about dealing tax events in non-sheltered ones, that's a pretty good position to be in—financially speaking.

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by bluedevil2k on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:45AM (#25254924)
This is a silly statement - there’s plenty of middle class people who hold mutual funds who are hit with capital gains taxes every year from distributions from the fund.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by throw0101a on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:58AM (#25255078)
These 'taxable people' are in the minority:

> Approximately 6 in 10 households in the United States own securities investments—typically through taxable accounts, IRAs or employer-sponsored retirement plans. However, this figure drops to a little over 3 in 10 if only taxable investments are considered. Households that own taxable accounts are more likely to be older, affluent, college educated and white relative to households with only retirement accounts or households without investment accounts.

* PDF: https://www.sec.gov/spotlight/fixed-income-advisory-committe...

The 3-in-10 would also have sheltered accounts:

> Importantly, most of these taxable investor households (89 percent) also own a retirement account like a 401(k) or IRA.

I stand by my statement: most people don't have to worry about tax events in mutual funds, and those that are in the situation have a 'good problem'.

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by bluedevil2k on Monday November 30, 2020 @03:34PM (#25258608)
You don’t know what you’re talking about - taxes are never a ‘good problem’. ‘Good problem’ doesn’t even make any sense and you using it here shows you don’t know the difference between income and wealth.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by throw0101a on Monday November 30, 2020 @05:22PM (#25259796)
Having so much money that you've maxed out and over-flowed tax-sheltered accounts—accounts that many people aren't even able to afford—to the point that you're now worrying about tax efficiency is a not a bad situation to be in IMHO.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by Aunche on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:28AM (#25254038)
That theory doesn't make much sense. For example, surely Amazon has a lot more room to grow than Coca Cola.
Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by Cthulhu_ on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:50AM (#25254272)
I'm not sure; Coca Cola could start investing money and start buying up other food & drink brands.

I mean could you have imagined 10, 20 years ago that Disney would start to gobble up other companies like some weird Shoggoth monstrosity and multiply its stock value by 5-6 times?

Re:Five Biggest Stocks Are 23% of S&P 500 Market Cap by unreal37 on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:14AM (#25254546)
Coca-cola revenues have fallen 5% per year on average, for the past 5 years.

Of course, they're panicking over that. Of course they're trying to find growth. But they can't find it yet.

The fact is, they own so many brands in other beverage categories already. They own 500 beverage brands.