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Re:Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano S... by howlgarnish on Friday November 27, 2020 @05:58AM (#25227566)
Champagne continues to maintain a pretty solid price premium though? The case of Moet-Chandon is instructive: the French variety usually retails for a solid $20/bottle more than Chandon's Australian or Californian wines, even though they're all made by the same house and the same methode champenoise.
Re:Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano S... by vertis on Friday November 27, 2020 @06:11AM (#25227662)
But that's exactly my point. I hear people talking about bottles of 'Moet', not champagne.

I've been given or bought several Moet-Chandon bottles over the years, and I would not be able to tell you with certainty whether they were filled with wine from the Champagne region. Anecdotal for sure.

I would also argue that you could use any reasonably French sounding place name, 'Trois-Rivières' and people would make assumptions.

Re:Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano S... by howlgarnish on Friday November 27, 2020 @07:52AM (#25228295)
The price premium applies to all champagne though. Even the cheapest ones (eg the one at Aldi) start from $30, while basically indistinguishable if not superior prosecco/cava/sparkling can be had for $10.
Re:Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano S... by alkonaut on Friday November 27, 2020 @08:41AM (#25228619)
Putting a good $15 bottle on the table doesn't tell your friends "I really want to celebrate this. It's a special occasion to me". The $35 champagne that might inded be worse, does. Especially if you are the kind that often drinks the $15 ones!

And that's imho the selling point of (at least the lower end) champagne. I still do that occasionally. A $20 difference is a pretty small price for a "signal". It's not stupid just because the content is indistinguishable. I pay for the label - because the label is the effect! It's the product!

That's also why such producers need to be careful with others using their name. They are selling a name while everyone else is selling wine.

Re:Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano S... by Spivak on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:29PM (#25231848)
I must be in a casual social circle because a popping a 5 bottle of bubbly is just as celebratory. The idea of getting out “the good alcohol” for a special occasion is so foreign to me.
Re:Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano S... by navaati on Friday November 27, 2020 @10:21AM (#25229335)
"Trois-Rivières" does sound French, but it also totally sounds "rum", not wine ;)
Re:Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano S... by slumdev on Friday November 27, 2020 @08:29AM (#25228536)
Terroir matters.

And most of the price difference results from cachet anyway. A benefit of living in France is that there are plenty of great wines available for less than 10 Euros. They don't get exported because, I'd imagine, it's probably not cost-effective to do so.