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Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by disown on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @11:33AM (#25211000)
No "computer enthusiast" is enthusiastic about apple. People who used apple products are generally laughed at by computer enthusiasts. Apple products are for non computer enthusiasts. Apple products are for sheep. Computer enthusiastics either build their own computer or buy cheap PCs and throw linux, bsd, etc on there.

> what has this place come to indeed

Indeed. And why a throwaway?

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