I don't have a problem with someone who raises a chicken, uses the chicken's natural existence to improve the local environment (fertilizer, etc.), lets that chicken have a life similar to its life in nature, and gives it a lifespan that isn't dramatically shorter than what it experiences in nature. Eating that chicken and its eggs seems fine to me because that seems like a mutualistic relationship. Asking me to endorse factory farming is tough because it provides literally none of those things, all of which seem like pretty reasonable definitions of a decent life for a creature. If you can verify that the chicken/eggs you bought came from that situation, I don't have a problem with that. I know a lot of brands claim an image like this, but let's be honest, no one is verifying that before purchasing because we know it's probably not true.

In other words, I am a vegan, and I just suggested a situation of ethical meat/egg consumption. As I said before, I think you're prejudiced towards vegans and don't really understand what we're about. I suggest listening more to what vegans have to say about veganism rather than what meateaters have to say about it.

> I suggest listening more to what vegans have to say about veganism rather than what meateaters have to say about it.

That is precisely what brought me to my conclusion.

> As I said before, I think you're prejudiced towards vegans and don't really understand what we're about.

To the extent that I see the vocal base as having an absolutist view compared to yours, yes. If you're insinuating more connotations associated with your choice of words prejudice, no. You don't know me.

That view is not terribly dissimilar from my own, so I'll grant I understand it well. Congrats on defying my expectations. I was confident you would not.

> I'll rescind it the day I see a vegan suggest there is such a thing as ethical meat/egg consumption. It will never happen.

your statement is a "there exists"

one just presented themselves.

will you rescind, or just continue to move the goalposts?

For your pleasure: rescinded. That was implicit in the post you quoted. Has this brought any value to you?

I'm not moving goalposts. I'm explaining my position.

People are downvoting you because you are making blanket generalizations that don’t meaningfully add to the conversation, and then doubling down on them when challenged. I thought maybe you would like to know what’s happening, but if it’s not wanted sorry to have potentially upset you further.

I made one generalization. I'll stand behind it. I hoped to see it provoke contradiction.