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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by porpoise on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:56AM (#25208290)
Very much agreed. One of the smartest people I know, a Frenchman called Phillippe Lemoine, published 50k words in Quillette [1] on China's role in the COVID pandemic, comprehensively addressing the cover-up charges, accusations of data fudging, etc, countering the NYT/Wapo narrative, but to this day, people are still talking about "Chinese cover-up" as if it's an uncontroversial fact, not even bothering to answer any of his arguments. Many people are even still repeating the "China closed Wuhan but sent citizens everywhere" accusation that has already been debunked and retracted by its original promulgator [2,3], and even people who know it's debunked don't bother to correct it when others bring it up. When I originally came to the US, I was attracted by its high-minded ideals, but the behavior of the press and most politicians (and, I have to say, most of the tweeting public) changed my perception forever.

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[1] https://quillette.com/category/covid-19/china-syndrome-serie...

[2] https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel...

[3] https://danielabell.com/?s=Ferguson&submit=Search

Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by mensetmanusman on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @07:11AM (#25208379)
Whenever humans are involved, keep your expectations low, and you wont be disappointed.
Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by StavrosK on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @07:59AM (#25208734)
I still get disappointed.
Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by chordalkeyboard on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @02:18PM (#25213093)
your expectations are not low enough.
Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by croissants on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @11:08AM (#25210702)
The linked Quillette article series is pretty dang good, and offers convincing refutations of things I believed before reading it (most of which are described in porpoise's comment).