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Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by archgoon on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:02PM (#25203470)
Can you expand on when competition came to Seattle and how? I've been using Condo Internet (now Wave Broadband) for something close to 5-6 years. When was the tipping point in terms of competition?
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by nostromo on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:15PM (#25203617)
Centurylink now offers fiber gigabit to the home for about $65 or so a month.

It happened because a former mayor (Ed Murray, who has since left office after a personal scandal) made it easier for ISPs to build out their networks and removed homeowners and neighborhood groups from the process which previously allowed them to block things like communications boxes on sidewalks.

At the time, a bunch of local columnists moaned about this "corporate giveaway"[1] -- but it's pretty clear in retrospect it was the right move.

1. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/mayors-centurylink-giv...

Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by filoleg on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:33PM (#25203795)
Don't forget about Google Webpass, they started advertising heavily in Seattle area starting about a year ago. I switched to them earlier last year due to having periodic issues with WaveG in my new apt building about 8 months into my lease (their technician would come a week or two after I report constant outages, fix something in the server room of my building, and then the issues would start again in a few weeks; haven't had any issues with WaveG at my previous apt though).

Service has been great, pricing is even cheaper than WaveG (I pay about $50/mo for their gig fiber offering), no contracts or any other lock-in (unless you pick the option to pay for the whole year upfront for a small discount). It definitely does feel like there is a good amount of real competition in Seattle now.

Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by filmgirlcw on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:35PM (#25204290)
Yup! My apartment building was pre-wired for fiber and I can get WaveG, Century Link, or WebPass. I can also get Comcast if I wanted to torture myself.

That’s the most options I have ever had in my entire life for an ISP. We’re with WaveG and have no reason to switch but the fact that I have multiple fiber options if I need to makes me really happy.

In Brooklyn, I couldn’t get FiOS in my building even though the building across the street and next door could do it. Something with the zoning and no matter how hard we (and Verizon) tried, nada. The upshot was Cablevision was an exceptional ISP (let me run a server out of the apartment as part of the written TOS, which was incredible), but it was still slower than FiOS.

In Atlanta, my parents’ house was prewired for fiber and gigabit but they have been stuck with not even the fastest available cable because of ISP tie-ups. It’s painful and they have zero choice.

Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:00PM (#25205554)
> The upshot was Cablevision was an exceptional ISP (let me run a server out of the apartment as part of the written TOS, which was incredible), but it was still slower than FiOS.

This is no longer the case since Altice purchased cable vision/optimum. They jacked up the prices and Andy reduced quality of service.

Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by ViViDboarder on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:45PM (#25205847)
I had WebPass in my first two apartments in San Francisco and it was my favorite ISP. I paid $500 for the year up front for 300/300 service.

Then I moved to a different unit where the absolute fastest option was 20/3 DSL for $70/mo.

Thankfully I’m now on Gigabit cable, but I can’t wait to get off Xfinity for something better.

Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by fergbrain on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:09PM (#25204891)
Also Ziply Fiber bought Frontier’s network in WA, OR, and ID, and started investing in their infra and expanding areas.
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by eyelidlessness on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:36PM (#25205068)
Lest we forget the personal scandal, he molested young boys. Not to distract from the ISP progress, but I don’t think it should be papered over.
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by edoceo on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:54PM (#25205157)
PUT YOUR PITCHFORKS DOWN!

Accused! Not proven. Murray maintains he has never abused anyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Murray_(Washington_politici...

Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by eyelidlessness on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:05PM (#25205219)
I have no pitchforks, just trauma that hasn't been proven (nor tried by anything claiming to prove anything) but certainly happened.
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by cambalache on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:18PM (#25205294)
How do you know? If you have proof why have you not share that important piece of evidence with the authorities?
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by eyelidlessness on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @12:06AM (#25206193)
How do I know that I’ve experienced trauma? Because I experienced it. I don’t need to prove it to you or anyone.
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by edoceo on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @12:19AM (#25206234)
Your experiences are your own and nobody is asking you to prove yourself. You are valid as is.

However, one should not be saying someone IS a vile thing when they've only been ACCUSED (and not convicted) of being a vile thing.

Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by eyelidlessness on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @12:57AM (#25206375)
I apologize for my last comment. I didn’t address the character or nature of Ed Murray. I addressed what he did. What he did do. He did do what he was accused of. I’m glad to take the downvotes to vocally say that I believe his victims. The vast majority of sexual assault victims never see a jury, and even if we do we never stand a chance of proof in that court.
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by cambalache on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @01:22AM (#25206458)
As noble as your sentiment is, it's a dangerous and stupid approach to take on legal matters of that importance.
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by eyelidlessness on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @10:55AM (#25210527)
It’s not just a legal matter. I’m amazed that as a victim of sexual assault I’m repeatedly being lectured about the burden of proof of sexual assault. I suppose I can just assume y’all don’t believe me either unless I go to court to confront my assaulters and win?
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by loeg on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:08PM (#25203520)
CenturyLink fiber is relatively recent to the Seattle area (2017 or 2018) and serves a broader customer base than Wave née Condo.

Condo was historically only available in a small number of buildings very close to the Westin building downtown (site of the Seattle Internet Exchange). It is slightly broader now, but only slightly.

Here's a big old PDF of Seattle area internet service (2019)[1]. Most of Seattle is CenturyLink + Comcast. The second biggest portion is Comcast-only. Wave covers very little of the city.

[1]: https://www.seattle.gov/tech/initiatives/broadband/gigabit-a...

Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by rconti on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:44PM (#25205837)
Seems like I was hearing my Seattle friends brag about their Centurylink Fiber quite a long time ago -- I want to say 5 or 8 years. Maybe the initial rollout was small and it took awhile to get going?

I'm a Seattle native, down in the bay area now, and JUST got gigabit fiber. Couldn't be happier.

Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by loeg on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @12:42AM (#25206313)
Maybe CenturyLink rolled out to a limited availability sooner than I'm remembering. There was also a very limited Verizon FTTH rollout on the east side some time earlier as well, but I don't know anyone who was in a service area for it.
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by jeffwilcox on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:21PM (#25205310)
The speedy providers are all jumping over each other to compete, now that the "gentlemen's agreement" between providers is no longer a thing... but they are cherry picking from people willing to pay and easily providing the service.

Seems like maybe 3 years ago when all the cable companies were able to compete without exclusivity by block?

In my condo building of 200+ units we have 5 providers now: - Wave broadband cable - Comcast cable - Wave G (10Gbps connection to the building) - Webpass Google Fiber (microwave to the building) - CenturyLink (DSL maybe?)

The bummer is outside the high-rise towers, there is not much competition in the neighborhoods and single family homes it seems.

Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by eru on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:31PM (#25205757)
I wonder whether the promise of faster Internet would diminish some of the NIMBY opposition to high rise towers?
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by MikeTheGreat on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:51PM (#25206144)
I'm going to say "Probably not". You're talking about people who have chosen to live in lower-density housing with lower internet speeds. I'm sure they'd love higher internet speeds, but not so much that they'd give up the 'lower density housing' part :)
Re:US internet speeds 91% faster in 2020 according to user s... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:31PM (#25205760)
In my experience, new construction has access to fiber, and very little old construction has access to fiber.