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Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by danans on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:52PM (#25202891)
> You release a bunch of greenhouse gases - but it's "OK" because you pay money to some organization

It's about cleaning up after yourself. Clearly in the case of this machine, whose carbon impact is tiny compared to nearly every other combustion based machinery we use, the intent is symbolic.

> ...that might eventually plant some trees (or use your money to buy/rent fossil-fuel-burning machinery to orchestrate the planting of trees)?

For a reputable carbon offset, those carbon costs are accounted for in the offset, so even with them, it's a net-negative carbon transaction.

> Seems like guilt-avoidance to me.

That's besides the point. If it offsets the carbon produced, then it works, and it doesn't matter what the psychological motivation is.

But I agree that there is a problem with offsets: In a saner world we'd be imposing carbon taxes instead of this, but this is where we are today, with CO2 mitigation effectively taking the form of "donations".

Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by Alupis on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @04:46PM (#25203315)
Many organizations with good intent and survive on donations end up astray - see Red Cross and Haiti.

Donating money to some organization that claims they will plant trees to offset some amount of greenhouse gas emissions is a lot like trusting the American Red Cross to build houses and schools after a disaster. You're hoping they do what they promise (and instead of doing that, the American Red Cross billed majority of the donations as "Administrative Fees"[1]).

So, in reality you may or may not be "cleaning up after yourself". Actually, you're not cleaning up after yourself... you're outsourcing that job (and don't actually care if it gets done) so you can feel free to release more greenhouse gases.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2015/06/03/411524156/in-search-of-the-re...

Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by markdown on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:13PM (#25203587)
> see American Red Cross and Haiti.

FTFY. The Red Cross is a reputable organisation that does wonderful work across the developing world. The American Red Cross is the corrupt one.

Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by Alupis on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:41PM (#25203860)
My mistake in conflating the two. Updated - Thanks for pointing out the distinction.
Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by azernik on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:39PM (#25205434)
Though donating to it isn't a substitute for donations to the American Red Cross for disaster relief purposes. The ICRC specifically deals with armed conflict.

For disaster relief you'll have to find another reputable charity.

Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by markdown on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @12:27AM (#25206263)
This is not true. The Red Cross in my country, which is an ICRC affiliate, does provide disaster relief. As far as I can tell, this is true across the board.

Eg:

https://www.redcross.org.au/news-and-media/news/australian-b...

https://reliefweb.int/report/viet-nam/thai-red-cross-society...

Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by azernik on Sunday November 29, 2020 @02:32PM (#25247376)
My assumption was that the comment I replied to was directed to Americans, and recommending the ICRC itself as opposed to the ARC.
Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by burkaman on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:56PM (#25205897)
Are you arguing that all donations are pointless because you can't know for a fact exactly what your particular dollars are spent on? If you just meant "not all nonprofits are perfect, make sure you do your research", I think that's common sense that doesn't really need to be said here.
Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by cle on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:03PM (#25204056)
If your claim is that Cool Effect is BS, then do you have some evidence other than some whatabouts?

If you could show that Cool Effect is BS and there was an alternative that really does offset the emissions, I'd bet these folks would be all for switching.

Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by TedDoesntTalk on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:55PM (#25205893)
> In a saner world we'd be imposing carbon taxes

In my saner world, we wouldn’t have people knowingly create greenhouse gases for a PR stunt (whose only beneficiary is a corporation called Hey).

Re:Email a Dumpster Fire by GuB-42 on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:25AM (#25208122)
In don't know how much the advertising industry creates greenhouse gases but like any other human activity, that's a lot. From employees driving to work to the electricity needed to run the servers.

In this case, I don't think the dumpster fire produces more than a few kW of heat. If it was done inside an office space, it probably wouldn't be powerful enough to heat to room to a comfortable temperature. The server infrastructure required to stream the video most likely produces more CO2 than the fire itself, and I don't usually see an ad on web net saying "we bought carbon offsets to compensate for the greenhouse gases that video produced".

Here there is a visible fire, so people think "OMG, the planet", not realizing that their computer may be connected to a much larger fire in a coal plant.