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Re:Why Is Scientific Illiteracy So Acceptable? by lordnacho on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:07AM (#25198509)
Actually the problem is not just that people don't know about science, they know so little that they don't know who to ask, either. Look at your local antivaxx FB group, they think Wakefield is authoritative.

I blame the education system. There's way too much specific knowledge that you will be tested on, and barely any theory of knowledge or scientific method fundamentals. And in the end, you will forget the silly quiz questions, leaving you with just the principles, if you were so lucky.

It would have been nice to have a general survey as well. "Not gonna quiz you on it, but FYI apart from the classic subjects that you are learning, there are also things like geology, materials science, a huge array of mathematical things, and so on. Just so you don't think that we had enough time at school to teach you everything."

Re:Why Is Scientific Illiteracy So Acceptable? by zamfi on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:18AM (#25198612)
> I blame the education system

This is a popular venue for blame, but perhaps you haven’t yet met the highly respected scientists claiming that masks don’t work against covid, that AIDS wasn’t real, or that vitamin C cures everything —- these are all highly educated people who, in their fields, have a deep understanding of “theory of knowledge” and “scientific method fundamentals”.

But, they are also human, and suffer from the human biases: confirmation bias, various selection biases like survivorship bias, etc.

These, I think, are more likely the culprits — and if you can figure out how to solve those within the education system, please share!

Re:Why Is Scientific Illiteracy So Acceptable? by lordnacho on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:06PM (#25200381)
I have actually met medical doctors who believed in homeopathy. My point isn't that they wouldn't exist if things were taught properly.

For a start, schools could teach people about how we actually unravel truths from statistics. It's a bit unfortunate that one of the most famous books in the area is called "How to Lie with Statistics". But all those things you mention, did you learn them in school? No, you tend to learn the conclusions but not the reasoning behind.

Re:Why Is Scientific Illiteracy So Acceptable? by zamfi on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @07:35PM (#25215833)
> I have actually met medical doctors who believed in homeopathy. My point isn't that they wouldn't exist if things were taught properly.

What...is your point then?

Re:Why Is Scientific Illiteracy So Acceptable? by lordnacho on Thursday November 26, 2020 @08:28AM (#25219828)
The point is that your critical thinking journey is a journey. Yes, most people would think "oh, homeopathy in a doctor, what went wrong?" but what people should be doing is going through the thought process of what to believe about claims and evidence in the medical sphere.
Re:Why Is Scientific Illiteracy So Acceptable? by Loughla on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:39AM (#25198785)
How can an education system teach evaluating sources, and acceptable methods of evaluating facts, when those two things are at the heart of almost every disagreement in the areas we're talking about?

Fake news isn't just a meme, it's a belief system. So how does a public school system tackle that?

>Just so you don't think that we had enough time at school to teach you everything.

Is there literally one person (in the US) who leaves a basic 12th grade education believing that they learned everything there is to learn?

Re:Why Is Scientific Illiteracy So Acceptable? by lordnacho on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:00PM (#25200326)
> How can an education system teach evaluating sources, and acceptable methods of evaluating facts, when those two things are at the heart of almost every disagreement in the areas we're talking about?

You can disagree about what the evidence is, or what it means, despite having properly followed the principles of reasonable inquiry. The issue is more identifying when those principles haven't been followed. The problem is that school doesn't really get into the tug-of-war between different strands of thought, it's quite parochial: you are told there are galaxies, not about the great debate that led to us knowing that.

Re:Why Is Scientific Illiteracy So Acceptable? by mistermann on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:35AM (#25200000)
> Look at your local antivaxx FB group, they think Wakefield is authoritative.

Every single individual within that group thinks "Wakefield is authoritative", and thinks that precisely and literally?

Might we be asking of others, that which we refuse to do ourselves?