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Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by sandworm101 on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:05PM (#25193551)
Hidden carry is never essential for security teams. It is about looks. They dont want the guns appearing in potential photos of Apple events. The guards can carry guns openly just like every single street cop.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by kmonsen on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:13PM (#25193605)
I think CA law will not let you have any loaded weapons transported without CCW. And loaded weapons is kind of needed to protect VIPs.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by rkt88edmo on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:48PM (#25194354)
The requirements to get your "guard card" in CA with the endorsement to carry a firearm a very low bar to pass. You see plenty of people making barely over minimum wage doing this. It is the "concealed" portion that requires the permit that can not be readily obtained by security guards without jumping through the same process as Joe Public which is regulated by the local City and County law enforcement in CA.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by kmonsen on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:31AM (#25195594)
Thanks, it looks like this is the correct answer. Seems like that option should have been open and what they should have done instead of agreeing to the bribe.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by ummonk on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:38PM (#25193823)
Also some cities have restrictions on open carry of unloaded weapons as well (generally you have to be going somewhere with the gun iirc).
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by sandworm101 on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:18PM (#25193642)
Then keep them unloaded. It takes less than a second for a pro to load a handgun. This isnt hollywood. Close protection details for large US corps virtually never fire a shot in anger. It is a once-per-decade event.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by ggreer on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:28PM (#25194198)
California forbids carrying a concealed firearm even if it is unloaded.[1]

Also California's legal definition of a loaded gun is not what everyone thinks it means. For example, PC 25400 has extra penalties if the firearm is loaded or if, "...the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from it are in the immediate possession of the person or readily accessible to that person." That makes your suggestion just as illegal as carrying a loaded handgun.

> Close protection details for large US corps virtually never fire a shot in anger. It is a once-per-decade event.

The point of a concealed handgun is to react as quickly as possible to what is usually a once-in-a-lifetime event. Even if it only takes an extra second to load a magazine into a firearm, that second can mean the difference between preventing a murder or not. It doesn't matter how rare the event is. It matters what the consequences are.

1. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....

Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by cbozeman on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:33PM (#25194249)
Yeah, you're right... this isn't Hollywood.

A determined attacker could seriously injure or kill someone in the time it takes to load your weapon and chamber a round.

Your kind of ignorance almost makes me physically ill... you sound just like those women who take a self-defense course and think they can take down a 6'4" 295 lb. guy who looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger's bigger cousin.

I'd love to see the look in your eyes when someone rushes you at 10 feet and stabs you with the blue plastic prop knife 99 times out of 100. Its the same look those women get when they realize, "Oh shit... it turns out someone who's got 150 lbs. of muscle over me can fight off my puny attacks."

If guns were truly the ultimate force multiplier, military and police would never train for close quarters hand-to-hand combat. They aren't, so we do.

Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by kmonsen on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:51AM (#25195688)
If a 295 lb guy charges you it doesn't really matter what you do, they will flatten you unless the weight is somewhat similar. At some point physics takes over.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by kmonsen on Monday November 23, 2020 @10:47PM (#25195079)
That's bullshit, I was deployed in Afghanistan. If you think loading a gun is something I wanted to think about when shit hits the fan you are wrong.

In addition you have to retrain all your reflexes. This is based on years of training that cannot simply be changed easily.