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Re:First Responders Unprepared for Electric Vehicle Fires: R... by FireBeyond on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:01PM (#25192949)
> Our department has trained on hybrids (don't cut the big orange cable!)

Keep training up to date. Hybrid HV wiring has a conductive sheath around the actual wiring, separated by non conductive layers. The purpose of this is that when your tool cuts such wiring, it shorts the sheath first and trips a breaker, so that you should be able to cut.

There's a group near here (WA state) that does demos including "throwing" (dropping) battery packs into wading pools while still supplying power, and cutting HV cables on running hybrids to demonstrate this.

But then again, there's near zero reason to do so. Stabilize the vehicle, kill the 12V. Our general go-to? Put the hazard lights on. If you stop the hazards, the vehicle is "generally electrically safe".

Biggest risk that isn't often talked about? HID headlights. Picture being up against the frame of the car. Regular headlights, bulb broken, possibly? Pretty low risk. Broken headlight, and behind it is a high voltage arc? That's a very real electrocution hazard.

Re:First Responders Unprepared for Electric Vehicle Fires: R... by dreamcompiler on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:10PM (#25193017)
Holy crap! I learned a lot from this; gonna research and take it to the crew. Thanks and stay safe!
Re:First Responders Unprepared for Electric Vehicle Fires: R... by FireBeyond on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:25PM (#25194612)
You too. For sure, I remember when I got an 07 Prius, and we started talking about this stuff, and there was a lot of urban legends and myths.

That being said, while electricity obeys the laws of physics, MVA/MVCs throws a wild card into the equation. I err on the side of caution... "Why am I cutting this cable if the vehicle is powered down and stabilized?"

Re:First Responders Unprepared for Electric Vehicle Fires: R... by dreamcompiler on Monday November 23, 2020 @11:10PM (#25195195)
Yup. It's easy to pull out the trusty center punch and shatter the side glass when you're amped up on adrenaline trying to get to the patient, but as my Chief says: "First try the door handle." That usually works.
Re:First Responders Unprepared for Electric Vehicle Fires: R... by retSava on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:57AM (#25196282)
Makes me think of Terminator 2, when JC teaches T to flip the sunshade for keys instead of mashing the ignition key hole.

That in turn makes me think about that - was it common during those days to do that, store the keys there? Perhaps for shared service vehicles?

Re:First Responders Unprepared for Electric Vehicle Fires: R... by XorNot on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:24AM (#25196421)
This is a Hollywood thing where writers in Hollywood don't know how the normal world works: storing the keys under the sunvisor is a thing that is done with studio vehicles in studio lots because the car changes hands a lot and so keeping the keys in it just makes sense.

It might've been common in a few American cities Hollywood-adjacent post-WW2 as well, but the accepted explanation is essentially that it's Hollywood being Hollywood - probably that it's a rite of passage as a junior team member to be unable to find the keys and then have someone show you they're in the "obvious" place.

Though I suspect at this point it's a writing shortcut more then anything else: we all know it's a movie, in movie's this happens, and in the plot in that moment you don't want to deal with "can these characters start this car".

Re:First Responders Unprepared for Electric Vehicle Fires: R... by mgkimsal on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:16AM (#25197731)
> and in the plot in that moment you don't want to deal with "can these characters start this car".

yet that's always the most implausible part of the story. Even as a kid, I remember asking "are we the only people who take the key out of the car when we leave? everyone we see on TV seems to leave their keys in the car". If character A just took their damn keys with them... movie would have been over 20 minutes earlier!

And... in murder mysteries... or TV sitcoms... if someone just had a working cell phone, the "communication problem" (misunderstanding or missing) that's at the heart of 90% of plots would be removed and the show would be over. Would definitely make the writers have to work harder.

Re:First Responders Unprepared for Electric Vehicle Fires: R... by throwaway0a5e on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:42PM (#25194306)
>Pretty low risk. Broken headlight, and behind it is a high voltage arc? That's a very real electrocution hazard.

There's not enough amps available there to do anything serious.

Re:First Responders Unprepared for Electric Vehicle Fires: R... by jws on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:12PM (#25194522)
80-90V to keep it running are above the "low voltage" guidelines and their ~500mA is enough to kill.

Presumably the driver circuit would notice that no current is flowing from a ruined bulb, try the sparker a few times to restart the arc, then give up and turn off the 90V drive. But it might be cheaper to build…