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Re:Cancel student-loan debt? That’s making the working class... by underseacables on Saturday November 21, 2020 @12:35PM (#25171129)
Because collection and redistribution of wealth and assets has never worked anywhere in the world, ever. Any plan to dress it up as “debt forgiveness” is easily shredded for its narrow view that it’s a one and done, when this could be like tolls: Once in place they never go away.
Re:Cancel student-loan debt? That’s making the working class... by zaphod4prez on Saturday November 21, 2020 @12:40PM (#25171168)
You're making a realllyyy strong claim here, and also an unclear one. Redistribution hasn't worked... worked to achieve what end goal? I would be interested to hear what you think wealth redistribution has failed to do, and also to hear one or even two examples of societies that do not redistribute wealth in any meaningful way (I have trouble imagining how that could ever be the case, to be honest).

I think that redistributing wealth is essential to having a functional society (where I define functioning as being moderately stable and in some meaningful way reducing the suffering of those who live within it).

Re:Cancel student-loan debt? That’s making the working class... by bwb on Saturday November 21, 2020 @12:54PM (#25171285)
Redistributing wealth is literally what powers civilization :)

And, if you do it right over the long time you create more wealth, more specialization, more complexity...

Now if you overdo it that is really bad... but I look at inequality right now and wonder if I should start up a guillotine shop.

Re:Cancel student-loan debt? That’s making the working class... by benjohnson on Saturday November 21, 2020 @01:46PM (#25171753)
If your premise is true, then the most redistributive governments would be the most civilized.

20th century communism would not provide a lot of evidence in favor of that theory.

Re:Cancel student-loan debt? That’s making the working class... by dragonwriter on Saturday November 21, 2020 @01:54PM (#25171822)
> the most redistributive governments would be the most civilized.

They (the mixed economies of the West and, even within that set, those with the most redistribution and strongest social safety nets) are.

> 20th century communism would not provide a lot of evidence in favor of that theory.

20th Century Communist regimes (Leninism and it's descendants) wasn't redistributive on an ongoing basis, it was simply a one-time transfer of effective power over the entire economy from one narrow elite to another, hence why non-Leninist Marxists often referred to it as “state capitalism”.

Re:Cancel student-loan debt? That’s making the working class... by bwb on Saturday November 21, 2020 @03:17PM (#25172462)
No, I did not say how much, it is like anything, not too little, not too much.

Communism is way way too much, and ignores fundamental aspects of humanity.