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Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by ballenf on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:01PM (#25152264)
I don't think anyone (here) would complain if Google explicitly used Lighthouse scores in ranking algorithms. Or any similar agnostic user experience ranking.
Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by s17n on Thursday November 19, 2020 @02:37PM (#25153472)
"We need to make an AMP site to get into this carousel" is a much easier sell (to executives) than "we need to rebuild our site according to some not completely specified principles to hopefully get a higher search rank".
Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by stephenr on Thursday November 19, 2020 @02:49PM (#25153604)
It really can’t be hard to set a metric.

Time limit (load time and render time), and to a lesser degree, weight limit (ie total resources size).

This is hardly a new concept.

Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by josephg on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:36PM (#25154033)
Yeah; and the spectre of page weight might be a good motivating factor.

"Each useless tracker we add lowers our search rank. Are we sure we need to add this one?"

Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by s17n on Thursday November 19, 2020 @07:08PM (#25155968)
Google has already done this, it hasn't had anywhere near the impact that the AMP carousel has.
Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by IanCal on Thursday November 19, 2020 @06:50PM (#25155840)
Load time in what browser? Over what connection? When is it loaded - all pictures or just the text? How much text? Does all the JavaScript have to have loaded? What about the calls that makes, do they need to complete? Is it better to have one more second before first render or one more megabyte of data?

I don't think it's a simple problem.

Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by markdown on Thursday November 19, 2020 @09:26PM (#25156773)
It's a multibillion dollar company with thousands of the best tech minds in the world in their employ. With the massive pool of talent they have, this stuff isn't exactly rocket surgery.
Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by IanCal on Friday November 20, 2020 @05:06AM (#25158995)
There is no single clear metric, that's the issue. It's a lazy approach to just say that problems must be simple because they're a big company.
Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by stephenr on Friday November 20, 2020 @09:25AM (#25160672)
Fine, if you can't pick a number out of your ass and say "sites must load in less than 1.5 seconds from <simulated average connection> to appear in our special box" just use it as a ranking value.

Fill the special box with relevant results to the search, and use load time for the result as a weighting. So if your content is ridiculously on-topic but a little slower to load, you'll still probably be in the special little box, but a slightly less specific site thats super fast to load might be before your site.

As has been mentioned: google has used page load times as a metric for a long time. The difference is they didn't add a "special little box" to incentivise sites with otherwise shit decision making skills to do the right thing.

But sure. Tell me how forcing clients to download a bunch of javascript, and introducing forced 8 second blank pages for anyone who dares to not load said javascript is all about making pages faster.

Give me a fucking break. If you want to live in the fucking google sphere, that's your choice, but don't pretend that their motives are anything but hostile to the very concept of the open web.

Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by IanCal on Friday November 20, 2020 @10:43AM (#25161496)
An unnecessarily aggressive response, containing a bunch of things I've absolutely not said.
Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by blackoil on Thursday November 19, 2020 @11:05PM (#25157206)
SEO optimization is a large industry. n% boost in organic traffic is very measureable.
Re:Google to end the “top stories carousel” benefit to AMP n... by sdfhbdf on Friday November 20, 2020 @02:25AM (#25158075)
They will in next year - it's called Core Web Vitals [0].

[0]: https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2020/05/evaluating...