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Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by lobotryas on Thursday November 19, 2020 @12:04PM (#25151542)
Whose money are you volunteering to be spent on that?
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by deeeeplearning on Thursday November 19, 2020 @12:16PM (#25151695)
I'm sure you could trade a handful of Patriot missiles and one or two F-35's to fund it several times over.
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by stjohnswarts on Thursday November 19, 2020 @07:38PM (#25156167)
Probably cut 10 F35s and build a new one. Of course current politicians won't do anything that is bipartisan and generally forward thinking. Dems only want to spend money on social programs and Republicans only want to spend it on blowing brown people up. It's a sad state.
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by singemonkey on Thursday November 19, 2020 @12:29PM (#25151881)
Quick and probably very inaccurate calculation

Arecibo cost $9.3 million in 1963. This is equal to $79,000,000 now (https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1963?amount=93000...).

An F-35 costs about $100 million.

Based on that, I'd be happy to give up a single F-35 to rebuild Arecibo.

Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by petschge on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:17PM (#25152476)
And the US is planning to purchase 2500 of those. Because 2400 are clearly not enough.
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by ryandrake on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:53PM (#25152960)
The scale of how much money the USA spends pointlessly on weapons is almost as mind boggling to comprehend as the size of the galaxy. It's depressing to imagine what we could do otherwise if all this money wasn't wasted, or if it was simply returned to taxpayers.
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by admiralspoo on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:29PM (#25152629)
The defense budget is tiny compared to the US's welfare state programs.
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by jessaustin on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:26AM (#25157554)
Welfare programs promote the welfare of USA residents, which is a valid use of public funds. The defense budget is almost entirely wasted. We haven't won a war in 75 years. Our various bumbling military misadventures have killed thousands of Americans and millions of other humans. If we spent a tenth of what we spend, both we and humanity in general would be safer, happier, and more prosperous. The Pentagon is never held to account for its myriad failures, so over time it has evolved to do only one thing well: consume vast resources.
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by knaq on Friday November 20, 2020 @02:36PM (#25164006)
Rule of law means we must check the US Constitution for what is "a valid use of public funds". OK...

Well, it looks like war gets the public funds.

Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by zaroth on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:31PM (#25152671)
It also affords the US a position as the world’s reserve currency which itself is worth trillions of dollars.

I’m not sure the ROI analysis is particularly straightforward, all things considered.

Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by deeeeplearning on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:45PM (#25152868)
You think that removing 2 F-35s from the budget will significantly alter that calculus?

To be clear. The US' >5000 Nuclear warheads is more than enough to cement its place as the most important military power in the world.

Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by sigstoat on Thursday November 19, 2020 @02:24PM (#25153328)
> You think that removing 2 F-35s from the budget will significantly alter that calculus?

you think that the "don't buy 2 F-35s and fix arecibo" train of thought ends at fixing arecibo? like, if the military hawks would just give up enough budget to fix it, all the other cries to reduce their budget would cease?

come on.

Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by rootusrootus on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:38PM (#25152767)
I don't know if tiny is the word I'd use. ~3% is smaller than ~5%, yes, but still an absurd amount of money.
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by CamperBob2 on Thursday November 19, 2020 @07:55PM (#25156270)
The defense budget IS a welfare program.
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by JetSpiegel on Sunday November 22, 2020 @04:24PM (#25181246)
Corporate welfare. But as Romney says, "corporations are people, my friend".
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by CamperBob2 on Sunday November 22, 2020 @06:02PM (#25181949)
A couple of SSBNs are all we need to assure national defense. The rest is one big jobs program.
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by xondono on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:06PM (#25152318)
I don’t get the flagging, it’s a very valid question.

I’m sure the people at PR would rather see the money invested on infrastructure with higher impact on their citizens life.

Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by rovr138 on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:20PM (#25152517)
Being from PR I have a lot of friends and follow a big community online.

In the past hour I've only been seeing people from the island lament this. Twitter, Facebook, Reddit.

I think a lot of people understand that not spending the money on this doesn't mean that that money will appear somewhere else.

The rest, I'm pretty sure that if you tell them that there's different buckets where money comes from and that money simply won't shift into others, would quickly say repair/rebuild it.

There's a sense of pride with the radio telescope. I can only speak for what I've seen, but a lot of people visit on school field trips. We all know it.

This sucks.

Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by Johnny555 on Thursday November 19, 2020 @02:12PM (#25153173)
If $100M was invested in building a new one, much of that money would stay in the PR economy in hiring local labor.So it's not a win-lose scenario -- winning more funding could be a net win for the locals too.
Re:Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dism... by xondono on Monday November 23, 2020 @02:45PM (#25190837)
Never said it had 0 impact, just that there’s likely infrastructure with higher impact