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Re:Mozilla DNS over HTTPS (DoH) and Trusted Recursive Resolv... by detaro on Thursday November 19, 2020 @09:05AM (#25149540)
From your linked comment, I would disagree with "web browsers decided that they didn't like end users being able to have this control". They don't like the default that requires users to make an active change to the get "upgraded", without ever being prompted so, not that the user can control it, and believe that in that situation, giving it a push is justified. See e.g. Chrome's policy: it checks if the configured DNS server also has a known DoH option, and if yes uses that.
Re:Mozilla DNS over HTTPS (DoH) and Trusted Recursive Resolv... by danShumway on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:54PM (#25154234)
Right, it's not about taking away user control, because users have the same exact level of control that they had before. Firefox/Chrome still offer all of the same customization options, and you can even turn off DoH entirely.

What it is about is that the defaults for pretty much all OSes are bad. Maybe if we lived in a world where DoH was shipping by default enabled in Linux/Mac/Windows and set to something private like Cloudflare, it would make sense not to even provide browser options at all.

But as it stands, the current solution (while a little unintuitive and hacky) give you the best of both worlds. If you're a normal user, you get secure defaults. If you're a power user, you can go into Firefox and point at your own DoH provider, or turn off DoH entirely if that's what you want. And if you're an admin deploying Firefox on a network, you can deploy it with a custom profile that sets its internal DoH/DNS settings to whatever you want.

Re:Mozilla DNS over HTTPS (DoH) and Trusted Recursive Resolv... by eikenberry on Thursday November 19, 2020 @05:18PM (#25155054)
> See e.g. Chrome's policy: it checks if the configured DNS server also has a known DoH option

Do you know of any references that describe how it determines if the DNS service offers a DoH option or not? I can't find anything more than vague descriptions.

Re:Mozilla DNS over HTTPS (DoH) and Trusted Recursive Resolv... by detaro on Thursday November 19, 2020 @05:24PM (#25155100)
They maintain a list. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/128i2YTV2C7T6Gr3I-81zlQ-_... for information about the inclusion process and criteria and for the list in source code form: https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:n...
Re:Mozilla DNS over HTTPS (DoH) and Trusted Recursive Resolv... by eikenberry on Friday November 20, 2020 @05:44PM (#25165973)
Thank you!