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Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by Wowfunhappy on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:27PM (#25145535)
> As long as the walled garden can be easily circumvented, advanced users can do what they wish. "Able to learn about Gatekeeper and decide if they should turn it off" is probably an okay heuristic for "can tell a fake Flash installer site apart from a real one" or even "knows that Flash is pretty much abandoned, do everything you can to avoid it".

That's exactly how I see it! And this mentality continues throughout the chain, too—if you want to actually install unsigned kernel extensions, or inject code into other processes, you need to boot into recovery mode to disable SIP. This is still not at all onerous if you know what you're doing (and, like Gatekeeper, you only need to do it once), but it's definitely a next-level test for next-level privileges.

IMO, the way Apple designed this process is brilliant! And that's why I'm not personally concerned by the boiling water argument, at least not yet—whatever Apple's incentives, the current setup strikes me as the best way to handle things.

All of that said, where I am starting to get annoyed is with the root snapshot stuff in Big Sur. Having to reboot every time I want to edit a system file is a clear progression from "trivial speed bump" into "consistent pain-in-the-ass" territory. If you want to talk about Apple locking down the Mac, I'd start there!

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by saagarjha on Thursday November 19, 2020 @05:17AM (#25147980)
It makes my favorite trick of editing SystemVersion.plist no longer work for when Xcode says you need to submit your app from a non-beta OS :(
Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by Wowfunhappy on Thursday November 19, 2020 @09:35AM (#25149882)
Can't you still go through the song and dance of disabling SIP and authenticated root and then editing the root snapshot? It's incredibly annoying but should still work, right?
Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by saagarjha on Friday November 20, 2020 @01:32AM (#25157823)
Generally things don’t like it very much when I lie to them about what OS they’re running on; I try to set the version just before opening Xcode and fix it then right after I’m done submitting the app so my computer isn’t confused. More than once that has been long enough for Software Update to get confused and offer me a new build :P
Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by trevyn on Thursday November 19, 2020 @05:23AM (#25148013)
The problem is that it makes it clear that the market for third-party software is completely at Apple's pleasure.

If Apple chooses not to issue me a Developer ID, they have effectively removed 95%+ of my market.

If this is because I distributed malware, that's reasonable. But there are a lot of other reasons why Apple might choose to revoke a Developer ID. (Think pressure from the state, for one.)