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Re:Librem 5 Mass Production Phone Has Begun Shipping by muyuu on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:22PM (#25144613)
that honestly surprises me, it isn't the case in the UK or any of the EU countries I visit ; I haven't seen or used an MMS for maybe 20+ years

it would be interesting to map MMS usage worldwide, maybe it's a more important feature than I thought

EDIT: correction, I actually tried MMS once or twice with a phone circa 2007-2008, just checked (so not quite 20 years)

Re:Librem 5 Mass Production Phone Has Begun Shipping by nagisa on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:47PM (#25144853)
Can confirm, never seen MMS used for anything but my service provider sending me notifications about voicemail. Everything and everybody else uses SMS.
Re:Librem 5 Mass Production Phone Has Begun Shipping by pengaru on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:01PM (#25144976)
SMS and MMS are completely integrated here in the US, you have no visibility into wether it's an MMS or SMS you're sending/receiving - it's just "messages" in my experience.

So if you take a smartphone photo, and send it to a phone number contact in a message, boom, you just sent an MMS.

A majority of random american public wouldn't recognize the MMS acronym, despite likely using it regularly.

Re:Librem 5 Mass Production Phone Has Begun Shipping by muyuu on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:05PM (#25145400)
sending "pics by SMS" is something people wouldn't even expect to work here in the UK in my experience (and it probably doesn't work for most of them, several networks/plans don't support them or bill them separately)

visiting the US back in the day I realised just how different the "phone culture" was, for instance there was such a thing like being charged for receiving calls (in ~2008) and drastically different coverage maps, etc - I have no idea how things are now over there

Re:Librem 5 Mass Production Phone Has Begun Shipping by lallysingh on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @11:08PM (#25146136)
Basically it's the data plan that matters. The call time allotments are so large that they don't matter anymore.

Coverage is still an issue.

Re:Librem 5 Mass Production Phone Has Begun Shipping by fuzxi on Thursday November 19, 2020 @02:52AM (#25147182)
Group messages are also (usually) MMS.
Re:Librem 5 Mass Production Phone Has Begun Shipping by muyuu on Friday November 20, 2020 @04:22PM (#25165132)
if you say "group messages" here in the UK, everybody will assume you are talking about whatsapp, or blackberry messenger (before)

one of the reasons why I suspect MMS went completely unnoticed here in the UK is that Blackberry was extremely popular rather early, and then Android ate it

I don't think I've ever sent a single group message over MMS

Re:Librem 5 Mass Production Phone Has Begun Shipping by tomxor on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:47PM (#25144855)
I use a dumb phone in the UK and MMS no longer works on it, not that I ever used it much (but it did work not so long ago). I agree with the sentiment of your comment that the networks probably killed it. buuut...

> I haven't seen or used an MMS for maybe 20+

That's a bit of an exaggeration:

> The first MMS-capable phones were introduced around 2002 in conjunction with the first GSM network.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service

Re:Librem 5 Mass Production Phone Has Begun Shipping by muyuu on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:20PM (#25145109)
You are right on both accounts.

I remember the model of the phone I used MMS last, but couldn't remember the exact year. Just looked the model up and I see it's not as old as I thought. It was about 12-13 years ago actually around 2007~2008.

I'm pretty certain I haven't even tried MMS in any other phone since. With blackberries I used their messenger, with Android I used various apps, never MMS. I still use plain SMS occasionally.

Re:Librem 5 Mass Production Phone Has Begun Shipping by BlueTemplar on Thursday November 19, 2020 @06:49AM (#25148574)
Could be à carrier configuration issue.