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Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @11:59AM (#25139175)
> School is exhausting. Between rising unnaturally early (which leaves kids tired), rushing and bustling kids on their daily commute, most of the daylight hours blocked for school then homework when you get home

I will point out though that, if one is inclined to argue that school should prepare children for adult life, it sounds like this system is a pretty good mimic of the working life any given child is likely to have after they eventually leave school. Just replace homework with non-work obligations (or a second job).

Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by sequoia on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @04:13PM (#25142513)
"Life sucks and you may as well learn it early." Setting aside the fact that tweens & teens in particular need more sleep (you can do with less when you're older), even if one has to get up at 6:30 and do a 90 minute commute every day, why make kids do this?

They can learn to get up early and commute when they have to do so. I don't think making kids spend 10 years waking up early is necessary to prepare them for getting up early as an adult.

Analogy: they may have to go without food at some point their life, that doesn't mean we have to starve them now so they're prepared. They can learn to do it when they need to do it.

Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by Aerroon on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @12:28PM (#25139554)
Yes, but the difference is that as an adult you choose to be there. You can make arrangements that fit what you want. Kids don't have that option. They often don't even realize that they themselves might've put too much on their own plate and might not know how to handle it. They just don't burn out the same way adults do.

As an aside, if school was preparation for adult life then it really should teach you to drive, cook, and an understanding of the law. There are few things that school teaches that end up being more important than those for adults.

Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by falcolas on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @02:34PM (#25141333)
> as an adult you choose to be there

With the alternative frequently being homelessness. It's a lucky few (relatively speaking) who can freely switch jobs and pursue passions.

Most people work simply so they can continue to have a home, food, water, heat...

Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by Aerroon on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @11:25PM (#25146215)
You still have way more flexibility and choice. You can decide to work more, work less, find a new job etc. What you get out of it is different and perhaps you don't want to give up your lifestyle, but you can decide to do that. You have no such choices as a kid.
Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday November 19, 2020 @07:25AM (#25148788)
If only. There are pretty much two settings available to most Americans: full time or more, and poverty. Relatively few people have the luxury of being able to spend a lot of time looking for better employment (again this is on top of all the working they are doing) or working less. I, for one, would gladly work a lot less for equivalently less pay, it just isn't an option available to me.
Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by rmah on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @02:11PM (#25141017)
if school was preparation for adult life then it really should teach you to drive, cook, and an understanding of the law.

I don't know about now, but when I was in school (in the US), we were taught all those things and more (a bit of carpentry, metal work, engine repair, simple accounting, etc) YMMV.

Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by oxinai on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @04:12PM (#25142494)
At least back at the district I was in back in the day (and worked at, briefly), students could either take shop/business or advanced core classes. For some reason, those paths tended to have scheduling conflicts.
Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by disabled on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @02:30PM (#25141276)
I went to one of the best rated public high schools in my state and also the country. While the academics were top notch compared to basically any other public high school around, it definitely did not prepare you adequately for (formal) engineering school. That includes the advanced courses that you had to take. I suspect that there are very few public schools that prepare you for those actual demands. Additionally, it was extremely competitive with respect to academics (in terms of grades/rank) and developing extracurriculars. It was no way representative of real life.

While I was not a good student in high school, and basically saw it as “doing time”, I was forced to get my act together academically when I became severely chronically ill my freshman year at university. My work ethic changed completely because not being a full time student meant no insurance. Also, if I did not have a job in the future with good benefits, it literally meant death (I require a blood product to survive). So, engineering school it was. But now I don’t live in the USA so this is less of a problem. It is nice not to have to worry constantly about healthcare and having to work a job just for the benefits—-as in to actually be free.

Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by ballenf on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @04:06PM (#25142438)
When they said prepare you for "adult life" I don't think they meant a university engineering program.
Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by bernulli on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @12:43PM (#25139755)
Is it, though? How many jobs will there be 10-20 years down the road where the main requirement is to be able to sit still for 8 hrs, ask before you go pee, and do as you're told? How many of these jobs will be automated instead? Or, differently, is that the kind of job you would want your kids to have?
Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by rdtwo on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:24PM (#25144029)
All the bad jobs will be like this with ai monitors
Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by bernulli on Thursday November 19, 2020 @09:35AM (#25149887)
Wow, that view is even grimmer than just jobs being automated away...
Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by bawolff on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @04:14PM (#25142522)
What sort of job do you have that has homework? Mine certainly doesn't.

More generally, i don't think we should make kids lives suck to prepare them for the fact that the rest of their life is also going to suck. That's not the way to make happy people who appropriately prioritize work/life balance.

Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by mywittyname on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @04:25PM (#25142646)
I have to study for certifications and generally expand my technical knowledge outside of work. It's not constant, but my quarterly objectives aren't achievable without "homework."

Everyone is different though. Some people have lower stress jobs where they work for a single company and have plenty of time to learn new stuff on the job (or never really need to acquire new skills). But I work in consulting, so acquiring new skills while maximizing my billable hours is part of the game.

Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by bawolff on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @05:09PM (#25143107)
I don't think its fair to call non-billable hours "homework". Having non-billable hours is part of running your own business. If you own your own business, you can do your nonbillable hours at any time in the day, including not in normal working hours, but you can also do your billable hours at any time of the day.
Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by mywittyname on Thursday November 19, 2020 @11:39AM (#25151233)
It's studying or writing (not billable work) that I must do to achieve a good "grade" (i.e., performance review) and it occurs between 9 and 11 pm -- long after I've left work for the day. That's the textbook definition of homework.

I'm also not the owner or anything of the sort; I'm a mid-level IC with no direct reports.

Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by Broken_Hippo on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @04:32PM (#25142706)
Homework took more time than housework - and I can decide not to do housework on any given day. I keep a cluttered house because I'm OK with that. Not to mention that housework takes very little mental effort - in fact, it is a grand time to daydream and get ideas (like showering). These are not the same beasts at all.

The second job is closer to homework, so long as you are doing it most nights and it takes some mental effort. And gee, it seems that having two jobs will pretty much kill creativity also and cause folks to burn out. At least with a second job, you are probably older. Teens and pre-teens simply aren't there mentally.

Re:My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her... by imtringued on Friday November 20, 2020 @03:41AM (#25158520)
No it doesn't. The only way to prepare for adult life is to experience adult life early on. Experiencing more school life is the exact opposite of that.