Re:Texas astronomers revive idea for 'Ultimately Large Teles...
by inglor_cz on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @12:39PM
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There is a saying that once you reach the orbit (here, on Earth), you are halfway to anywhere.
Lifting objects from Earth's gravity well is expensive. There would be a better case for building extensive industrial base on the Moon, with its 0.16g gravity, and supplying all the distant bases from there.
You can, for example, plausibly build a space elevator on the Moon [1] with contemporary materials (even Kevlar would suffice), thus lowering the price tag enormously.
Re:Texas astronomers revive idea for 'Ultimately Large Teles...
by travisoneill1 on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @01:24PM
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Doesn't really change anything because you are pretty much out of the Earth's gravity well by the time you get to the moon.
Re:Texas astronomers revive idea for 'Ultimately Large Teles...
by ben_w on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @04:35PM
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Sure it does — you shuttle humans up to LEO at the current SpaceX Dragon cost, and instead of docking to the ISS they dock to the full-size replica of the Enterprise that an eccentric billionaire 3D printed out of Moon rock and filled with space-grown food, plants, and spandex costumes.
At first, that seems completely impractical due to the enormous fuel costs but it turns out that if you are in this for the long term there is a way around that.
Getting around the solar system is expensive if you are in a hurry, but if you can take your time it can be cheap.
It is not just actual planetary bodies that a spacecraft can orbit. It turns out there are also orbits around Lagrange point. Some stable, some unstable.
If you want to get from planet A to planet B cheaply and aren't in a hurry, what you can do is first put your cargo container in an orbit around an appropriate A/Sun Lagrange point, then nudge it into a carefully chosen unstable orbit.
The unstable orbit gets farther and farther away from the Lagrange point. At some point, it crosses an unstable B/Sun Lagrange orbit, with a low enough delta-V between the two that a nudge can move it from the former to the later.
It then gets closer and closer to that B/Sun Lagrange point, until you reach a point where another nudge can move it into the same orbit as B, just ahead or behind. Another nudge gets it to B.
How long this takes depends on A and B, and it is all over the place. Some combinations take a decade or two. Some take hundreds of years. Some take thousands.
This then is a plan for a long term thinking civilization to colonize their solar system (I'm going to assume that they also call their planet "Earth" and a major moon of it "Moon"). First, get yourself a serious presence in Earth orbit and Moon orbit, and maybe also on the Moon. Anything you can make in one of those places that is needed for your deep space missions is a win because you won't have to get it out of Earth's gravity well.
When you've got to the point that you can produce a steady stream of unmanned space cargo containers loaded with non-perishable items in Earth orbit or Moon orbit, you can start moving them to appropriate Lagrange points, and nudging them into appropriate unstable orbits for the places you want to colonize.
It will take a long time, but when you have a good number of shipments accumulated at a place you want to colonize, you then send your colonists using the fast, expensive route. Note that your colonists only need to take enough supplies for the trip itself. (And they don't need to take return fuel if not everyone is going to stay, as that can be included in the pre-sent cargo).
Here are a few articles on this [1][2][3].
[1] http://www.gg.caltech.edu/~mwl/publications/papers/IPSAndOri...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Transport_Netwo...
[3] http://www.dept.aoe.vt.edu/~sdross/papers/AmericanScientist2...