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Re:Caltech Awards 10,000th PhD Degree by chrisseaton on Monday November 16, 2020 @08:18PM (#25119276)
> if you acquired an unofficial master (such as by borrowing someone's official master and copying it) nobody would bother you about it

How do they justify this when the keys may be locking doors that for example protect extremely sensitive personal information? Like for example financial information for support or allegations of misconduct or criminal activity? Don’t they have a legal obligation to protect these things?

Re:Caltech Awards 10,000th PhD Degree by dragonwriter on Monday November 16, 2020 @10:06PM (#25119877)
> How do they justify this when the keys may be locking doors that for example protect extremely sensitive personal information?

The locks for rooms that had extremely sensitive information, personal or otherwise, did not use the same master as was available to students, and used a different brand of lock that was more resistant to lockpicking. And, perhaps more important in practice than the actual resistance to lockpicking, the brand was widely understood as a signal that picking the lock was not acceptable. Presumably, they also had electronic security.

Re:Caltech Awards 10,000th PhD Degree by pixelbash on Monday November 16, 2020 @08:48PM (#25119470)
Personal observation - assuming everyone is out to get everyone else is a cultural thing that wasnt such a concern until quite recently. It's a bit like looking at certain phrases in common use 70 years ago and wondering why anyone would use them.
Re:Caltech Awards 10,000th PhD Degree by chrisseaton on Monday November 16, 2020 @08:49PM (#25119481)
You don’t have to assume everyone is out to get everyone, just that someone might possibly be out to get someone.

Also, whatever you assume, there are legal and moral obligations to protect information in any case.

Re:Caltech Awards 10,000th PhD Degree by Seanambers on Monday November 16, 2020 @09:00PM (#25119530)
Because once upon a time you could trust and at the same time people didn't feel like that they had that much to hide. In modern society secrecy is the only new 'experience'.
Re:Caltech Awards 10,000th PhD Degree by tzs on Monday November 16, 2020 @09:23PM (#25119656)
I don’t know how it is handled now, but when I was there things that needed higher security like that were in rooms that had locks not on the master system.

You had most older buildings on one brand of ordinary locks with a master system, and the newer buildings with better ordinary locks on a different master system, and then a few rooms with Medico high security locks.

Re:Caltech Awards 10,000th PhD Degree by kaitai on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @10:38PM (#25145958)
As sibling commenters have commented, yeah, the higher-security rooms used Medecos instead -- they had not only up * down for the pins but also directional slant (don't really know how to describe this, but pretty and much harder to copy or pick). But also, think through student motivations: I used my master to get into the steam tunnels, to find cool things, to gain access to the old wind tunnel, to find space to make art, to win at capture the flag. Who wants personal info or allegations of misconduct? And moreover, isn't the computer a much lazier vehicle for finding such info?
Re:Caltech Awards 10,000th PhD Degree by renewiltord on Monday November 16, 2020 @09:00PM (#25119531)
Presumably they multiplied the probability of this occurring with the damage caused and decided that it was lower than the benefit of the high-trust society.
Re:Caltech Awards 10,000th PhD Degree by chrisseaton on Monday November 16, 2020 @09:02PM (#25119541)
I don’t understand - don’t they have legal obligations to protect? Saying ‘but we trusted’ won’t work in a court.
Re:Caltech Awards 10,000th PhD Degree by renewiltord on Monday November 16, 2020 @10:20PM (#25119955)
Sure, but the court won't make them pay unbounded damages.