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Re:Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on t... by pdonis on Monday November 16, 2020 @06:35PM (#25118494)
> Leaving it up to local voters makes it sound like it's ok for a police dept to misbehave, eg harass minorities or evade accountability, as long as the majority voters in that city/county are ok with it.

In the extremely unlikely event that a majority are ok with it, yes, that would be correct as far as local laws are concerned. That's what "freedom" means: it means people are free to make mistakes. Note, however, that if the corrupt local cops are violating state or federal law, they're still liable even if a majority of local voters are ok with it. I don't have a problem with, for example, local cops being prosecuted for violating a citizen's Constitutional rights.

However, I strongly doubt that a majority of voters in these localities are actually ok with police corruption. I think they either don't bother voting because they don't think it will make any difference, or don't know about the corruption because they haven't personally experienced the consequences. Even in a large city like, e.g., Chicago, the majority of voters will never have a personal encounter with a city cop.

> going to a couple levels in governance (state or federal) makes total sense given the systematic nature of some of the problems

You're assuming that the state and federal levels of government don't also have systematic problems that would prevent them from fixing corruption. That strikes me as a highly unlikely assumption.

Re:Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on t... by ridaj on Monday November 16, 2020 @08:58PM (#25119521)
It's unlikely that voters would be ok with all-around corruption of the police, but not unlikely at all that they'd be ok with, for example, harassment or overuse of force against minorities. Historically the Jim Crow south is a direct product of local policies, so I think the historical record supports this view in fact.

While state and federal government aren't devoid of corruption either, at least more homogeneity can be achieved at these levels. Local jurisdictions are more prone to extreme population disparities just by virtue of being smaller.

Re:Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on t... by ndaiger on Monday November 16, 2020 @08:11PM (#25119241)
The 14th amendment to the constitution would seem to disagree with your assertion.
Re:Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on t... by pdonis on Monday November 16, 2020 @08:21PM (#25119303)
If the 14th amendment by itself had fixed the problem, we wouldn't still have it 152 years later.